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and now

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well i don't know when we bring on our

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guests later on the show whether we'll

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be talking that much about sly gate

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i think right now it's like between

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several forum threads or topics

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on the powercast forums at

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form.powercast.com we've got well

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one has 1300 messages hundreds of others

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possibly several thousand messages still

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talking

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about the same old subject

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slide gate roswell slot i have an

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announcement

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i visited the

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montezuma's castle which is almost

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within eye sight of my house

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um one of the

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rangers there

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who printed up a

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press release for me

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that has to do with this

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what we think

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particular specimen of a

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two-year-old child very desiccated as we

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if the information that i'm getting is

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correct this particular

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artifact if you want to call it that or

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body

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was on display here in cam verde

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at uh a small museum and

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was uh i guess appropriated by

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native americans i'm not sure there's

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still some question in my mind of who

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actually has it right now but i have a

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direct line to the spokesperson who

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knows this who is also native american

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and i think is the curator of the uh

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the small museum here at montezuma's

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my friend clifford mahouty who's um you

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for many years did the washington

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and he was very very well versed in the

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the rights of native americans uh when

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the remains of uh of ancient native

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he seems to think that he might uh be in

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do a cursory examination of it before it

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is buried which is uh imminent they're

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in turning this body very very soon it's

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from what i understand and clifford

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that he will be able to do some sort of

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gain access to this body and put this

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to rest uh once and for all

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so that we have you know with with no

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shadow of a doubt at least as best you

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a photograph and trying to match the

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body in the photograph with the actual

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remains and uh clifford is offered to

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to do this uh to help us put this whole

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fiasco to bed once and for all and

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hopefully that'll be the end of the

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the reason it was you still have people

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alien bodies but you know what

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that's nonsense

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it seems to be the chance of a chance of

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that this thing took off at all so i

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don't know where they come up with that

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i've been doing a bit of work on

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on them kind of in the background here

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on this and

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i do have a source that worked at uh

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has made an effort uh with the personnel

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of all human remains that have ever been

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show up uh this particular body does not

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in their um in their documentation so

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we're starting i think to winnow this

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thing down and and zero in and drill

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where this body uh came from where it is

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the best of our ability that uh this is

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these are human remains and this is a

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non-issue and

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if adam do knew about this prior uh to

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cinco de mayo affair uh

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this is it it sounds uh to me like it's

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a pretty cut and uh dried case of fraud

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and it really it saddens me and i think

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it just uh you know drives another you

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know nail partially into the

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coffin of ufology if things like this

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are continued to allow to happen and the

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public is allowed to be duped and built

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out of uh possibly millions of dollars

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you know i'm i'm so tired of this

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already there's no way it's ever going

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to disappear especially now when we have

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the conspiracy theories where we have

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tom carry and don schmidt still going

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implying there's traction not just

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getting off the train saying you know

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what maybe we

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went a little too far maybe we accepted

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too much now there's got to be some

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massive conspiracy here i don't buy that

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sorry i don't buy it either but i just

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wonder why they're doing it

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because it has to come to a stop and a

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little bit later when alejandro rojas

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joins us i'm going to ask him when he

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went out to the contact in the desert

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event you mean the circus in the desert

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i know that kevin randle has written

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several blogs

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at a different perspective

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several posts saying this is going to be

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the last one on the not roswell slides

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which is what he calls them because they

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never really established a connection

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with roswell even if there was something

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to that mummy well

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he's run several of those articles

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each of which gets dozens and dozens of

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responses from the same group of eight

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or nine people

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i'm among them all right

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so we're going to have here

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the endless or never-ending story

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it will go on forever

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and then after another 10 15 years have

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gone by well guess what we'll come up

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with something else

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something else we have by the way is a

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which is the technology show that i do

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o'brien what we're going to get in just

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is the one the only alejandro rojas from

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and he is one

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i also learned that he lives five

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yeah in the better neighborhood not this

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one this neighborhood we don't want to

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talk about

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i mean people have looked up this place

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in google maps and they have been

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at what it is but he lives in a much

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better neighborhood because he works for

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open minds alejandro rojas is coming up

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next we'll ask him about the whatever it

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about slide gate

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and lots of other cool stuff with gene

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ouch my back is out again hi dr ortman

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complaints that i hear is patients

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receive their typical adjustment only

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having to repeat them as the pain

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is only half of the battle at wellspring

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spinal care we have the entire solution

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we use the nuka approach utilizing

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three-dimensional x-rays and gentle

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with jean and chris we have alejandro

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rojas from open minds

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as i was mentioning before he lives five

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minutes away from me and the good part

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of the city

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although he doesn't stay there that

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often i think because he senses the

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stench from this neighborhood just comes

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his way and he just doesn't want to get

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a whiff of it right ouch gene

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there are some sketchy parts of mesa

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arizona in fact when i moved here uh you

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know i'm in kind of the university tempe

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and everybody said oh stay away from

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mesa

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that guy steinberg lives there yeah he

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he'll jump yeah he'll he'll shank yeah

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oh is that what it is yeah

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got a reputation of being a shanker

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well you know what i come from a

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neighborhood where i think they used to

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do that

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because we had murder incorporated in

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that neighborhood in brooklyn new york

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back oh my god 30s

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yeah anastasio well i come from the

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ghetto too in denver you know i come

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from a place called globeville um

402
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it's it's pretty rough there right now

403
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although it's getting gentrified from

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what i understand

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well regular people can't move to the

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area i grew up in brooklyn

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oh yeah well actually i lived a number

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of years at newport street off amboy

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avenue

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all right

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near hopkinson in brooklyn and i

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remember a few years after i left it

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looked like a combat zone

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but a lot of areas of brooklyn are

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coming back let's come back to this okay

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since we had you on the show a few

417
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months back some wacky things have gone

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on in the ufo field

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and while the wackiest is what we call

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here slidegate and i know maybe you

421
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didn't use that term but we'd like to

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have it patented here when did you first

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hear about what some people call the

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roswell slides or the not roswell slides

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i heard about them quite some time ago

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actually maybe even as far as two years

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ago i heard rumors

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you know in this field you always roll

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your eyes when you hear something too

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because uh so many times of course like

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like us we've been in this field for so

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long we're we're just extremely

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disappointed this incident being no

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different uh by when someone makes a

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claim that's exciting and then it

436
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doesn't pan out like this did not and so

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i heard rumors of these possible

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pictures of an alien

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and those rumors uh remained until what

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was it about a year ago when anthony

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bregolia started posting all of this

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stuff about how he knew more information

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about the slides

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what's interesting is when that did

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happen

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i then emailed kevin randle and don

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schmidt and i said what's going on the

448
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roswell dream team you guys are working

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on these pictures is there anything you

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want to share

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randall kind of said i don't have

452
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anything to do with it i don't want

453
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anything to do with it darn don't

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trust it all the rumors that you hear

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out there

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even though a lot of what bergalia said

457
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way back when turned out to be what uh

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the uh slide researchers you know

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revealed just uh what in february when

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they announced the

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the whole may event

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so there we are but based on what i'm

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hearing now

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after apologies were made

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schmidt and carrie are still supporting

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it somehow

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well this is the hard part i mean they

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are standing by their scientists

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because they have a couple scientists

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they're spanish speakers so i'd assume

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that jaime got these scientists

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and in fact you know i have to email don

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today

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about this and i'm going to make this

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argument is that

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first of all there are people who have

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already done

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work to get uh comments from more

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credentialed scientists and

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anthropologists philip mantle for

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instance sent me some quotes he got from

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some very credible people that i

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included in my story where these are

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people who look at mummies on a regular

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basis and they're like this is a

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mummified body end of story

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when i had talked with adam do about

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that and he said well they're they just

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make a quick judgment they're not giving

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us details as to why they make that

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judgment but you know what they're

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qualified to make a quick judgment so i

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can see that um jaime is arguing and

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crew now is arguing that their

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scientists say there's more evidence in

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these photographs

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to show that this body may not be human

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first of all uh you know with all

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apologies and due respect to all of the

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group that's ridiculous because

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um these are just photographs i mean you

502
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can't do any sort of physical uh

503
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analysis of these things they're just

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photographs second of all

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you know

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jaime does not have a good track record

507
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of getting scientists to give him good

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information

509
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jaime had scientists

510
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argue that a squirrel monkey carcass

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was uh not a squirrel monkey and that

512
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this squirrel monkey was

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extraterrestrial in nature uh when it

514
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turned out you know with further

515
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analysis to be guess what surprise

516
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surprise a squirrel monkey which is

517
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exactly what it looked like so okay

518
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:43,520
you're using jaime scientists say the

519
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squirrel monkey's an alien and now jaime

520
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scientists are saying that this this

521
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mummified body with now a placard that

522
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says it's a mummified body that

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obviously is in some sort of museum and

524
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certainly not any under high security um

525
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:02,799
is is an alien well you know what those

526
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:06,000
scientists suck to put it bluntly you

527
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,720
know

528
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ridiculous and uh

529
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i don't see

530
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how you know their word really holds

531
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much weight well you know that's that

532
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:16,320
brings up a really important point it's

533
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been

534
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almost a month since the event and i

535
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have seen no attempt to attempt to

536
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translate from spanish into english the

537
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actual presentations behind me

538
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,600
scientists what's up with that we have

539
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all these spanish-speaking people that

540
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are aware of this story why hasn't

541
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somebody been been supplied with a

542
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transcript in spanish to go ahead and

543
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put an english translation so that we

544
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can once and for all see exactly what

545
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these guys said because

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as far as i'm concerned

547
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uh you know

548
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,880
you can tout scientific appraisals all

549
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you want but if they're in a language

550
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that uh you know a lot of interested

551
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people can't can't read

552
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,159
why not get it translated so that you

553
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can support this claim uh for at least

554
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the mass audience here in the united

555
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states who are english speakers i mean

556
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,240
come on i mean it's a simple translation

557
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,640
from spanish into english i mean uh you

558
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,159
could probably even do it alejandro if

559
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you were given a transcript i would use

560
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google translate but uh no you make an

561
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excellent excellent point bryce sabo

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makes this point bryce stable i'm sure

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you guys have had him on the show oh yes

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all right great guy and uh he

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is really upset and most his his whole

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angle is because he's worked for cnn he

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he works in hollywood that this is among

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other problems has been a pr debacle

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it's how you do things exactly

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wrong and what's frustrating is this

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group is getting upset oh you guys

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aren't focusing on our information well

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you all aren't sharing your information

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if this would have been done correctly

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just from a pr standpoint i mean they

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screwed up they should have had

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materials ready for the american media

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for the u.s media so that when they had

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their event they have a press packet who

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conferences where they can hand this to

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arguments so then it can be their word

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can be included in the conversation out

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there but they didn't do that so what

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are researchers supposed to do except

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for

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go to experts themselves research the

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material themselves because they don't

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have access to what what the group is

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supposedly has and so that's what

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happened and we can get into more of

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that

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in our next segment alejandra rojas of

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700
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with jean and chris alejandro rojas

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joins us we're talking about slide gate

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about

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the studies released where they claim

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body must be an alien for whatever

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me worrying about it before we saw the

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made in a museum showing a mummy

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is the tenuous extremely tenuous

711
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relationship

712
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of every step of the way

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from the time you find the slides in a

714
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box

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to the time ten years later somebody

716
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decides to do something with it

717
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everything is so tenuous

718
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yeah right i mean i could see the

719
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arguments for that and really this is

720
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what's you know i think i'm one of the

721
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only guys who's been able to interview

722
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adam do i got to meet him because he

723
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came to our conference we were supposed

724
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to have meetings and talk a little more

725
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back then we just didn't have time

726
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once we saw one of the leaked photos we

727
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had zero interest in talking about the

728
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slides at that point because

729
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another problem is that they look like a

730
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mummified body in a museum i think

731
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that's one of the biggest hurdles that

732
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they have

733
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adam dew is a real straight shooter he's

734
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real down to earth you know he's real uh

735
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believe it or not i wish hopefully he'll

736
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do some more interviews maybe and you

737
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guys could have him on the show because

738
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he just tells it like it is i mean he

739
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seems to be a very honest person just

740
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not as savvy around like careful

741
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investigation and research which is

742
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really done in tom's role but then again

743
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in their defense all they can do is

744
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advise

745
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right but i think they could have taken

746
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more due diligence i think they accept

747
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it too

748
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i know nothing about adam do except he

749
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apparently makes documentaries i don't

750
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know what he knows about this but what

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does he tell you about the connection i

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don't see any connection that any of

753
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this suddenly leaps to being a possible

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alien body that might be from roswell

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that's a leap i can't make i could never

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make how did he make it before i get to

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that part i wanted to talk about the

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timeline piece and one of the reasons

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honestly and adam do is is honest about

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this that it took so long is he wanted

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money he was looking for money of course

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that sounds bad but he justifies this by

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saying i've spent a lot of money

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researching this case and getting

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experts and i just want to re at least

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recoup that money that's why i'm looking

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for someone to offer me money he said uh

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there was a prestigious uh scientific

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magazine that wanted to do a story but i

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turned them down because there was no

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money involved he said i don't know what

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you think maybe i made a mistake and i

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told him i think you did make a mistake

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because as we researchers know this is a

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field where you spend money you don't

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make money typically and uh you know you

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spend the money to get the research done

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and then you share it with people uh in

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the best uh platform possible not

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necessarily the platform that's gonna

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make you the best money and of course he

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had problems with the route he went with

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with jaime musan as far as the alien

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yeah i mean he said that he just feels

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that uh the images and he's careful the

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way he states it he says the image looks

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like what we've been led to believe in

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the media what an alien looks like

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that's the way he puts it and most

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people when they look at the picture

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tell me that looks like an alien and so

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that's his argument he just feels that

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it looks weird and i i don't think he

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really did know what the placard had

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said again this is just a layman out

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there he's not a ufo expert a ufo expert

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i would think would be able to see that

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the picture is a museum and and not a

799
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secured location or anything and and be

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able to see that this isn't something of

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substance at least for for people

802
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researching ufos and et's and stuff so

803
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he just genuinely believes that i asked

804
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him you know a lot of people are saying

805
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it's a mummy what do you think and he

806
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said i just don't see it he says i've

807
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gone around and looked at pictures and i

808
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don't think it looks similar i think

809
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this looks different you know i'm

810
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,200
hearing here a guy who sounds to me

811
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,760
totally clueless i'll leave it at that

812
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,679
he may be totally sincere he may have

813
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been taken in whatever it is he's

814
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clueless

815
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,000
i agree with you but that's the ufo

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witness that is the alleged contact he

817
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witnessed that is the alleged abductee

818
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,480
witness having investigated for this for

819
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,720
a long time these are regular people

820
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these are laymen they're not always the

821
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most intelligent not and you guys

822
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probably know this not all people

823
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understand science they don't understand

824
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credibility they don't understand the

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importance of having source material

826
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they just don't understand all of these

827
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concepts and so he's i think a typical

828
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,240
witness uh not necessarily

829
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just does not like us researchers right

830
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,080
my problem is not with him as much and

831
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he's entitled to want money if he wants

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it but with tom carrey and don schmidt i

833
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,559
think they should have known better from

834
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,799
the get-go and even the ways they

835
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,799
supposedly did due diligence like they

836
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,399
mentioned something like

837
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,600
sending this thing to adobe to examine

838
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,760
the placard and i don't know what they

839
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,519
did because adobe is not a place that

840
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,720
does analysis of photos adobe systems is

841
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,799
the publisher of photoshop so if you

842
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,480
want an expert

843
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,440
in photoshop to analyze photos there are

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00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,840
thousands and thousands of skilled

845
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,960
graphic artists photo editors and others

846
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,039
who can examine something like this

847
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,840
experts at image recovery who could do

848
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,519
something but you don't send it to adobe

849
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,440
systems and where is the letter that

850
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,559
shows this who from adobe allegedly

851
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,200
looked at this and said we can't figure

852
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,679
out what the placard says whereas we

853
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,600
have the roswell slides research group

854
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,000
that did in a few days

855
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,480
i agree i mean i agree with all of this

856
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,120
and it is hard in that i know because

857
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,360
i've been in this situation where

858
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:08,320
uh at least i know tom and don had their

859
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,760
their hands tied a bit in that

860
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:13,279
you know you have to follow the lead of

861
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,039
the witness uh the witness decides or or

862
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,200
in this case the slides holder they

863
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,679
decide what's going to be done where and

864
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,399
what's going to be released by who and

865
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,320
so your hands are tied a little bit and

866
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,559
all you can do is advise and

867
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,399
unfortunately especially with someone

868
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,559
who doesn't know this field they had you

869
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,640
know i think three main advisors they

870
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:35,919
had tom

871
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,000
dunn and jaime and jaime you know uh to

872
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,080
a normal person they might not know that

873
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,159
jaime's not a really researcher or

874
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,360
investigator he's more of a showman um

875
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,880
he's gonna be looking at how do we

876
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,720
sensationalize how do we make this a big

877
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:53,360
dramatic story um so that's going to be

878
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,509
yeah

879
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,039
well one thing that i mentioned in the

880
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,159
in the uh pre uh segment before we had

881
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,720
you on and i mentioned a new development

882
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,359
based on the work of dave rudiak who

883
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,240
has looked into the palmer collection

884
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,280
who was the the private collector who

885
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,520
allegedly ended up with this particular

886
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,200
specimen

887
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,599
what we found out uh is that it was

888
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,280
possibly put on display in the town that

889
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,359
i live in here in camp verde oh wow and

890
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,839
um i went down uh yeah i went down to

891
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,440
montezuma's castle and i spoke with some

892
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,000
of the uh the uh which is where it was

893
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,399
found right near where you live well i'm

894
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,760
not sure i think it may have been found

895
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,440
in mesa verde but then it ended up in

896
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,679
the palmer collection and it was found

897
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,760
we do know now it was found at montezuma

898
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,359
castle we actually haven't if that's the

899
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,599
case then then um i think that we have a

900
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,359
very good chance of actually

901
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,679
um with the help of clifford mahouty who

902
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,480
is very well versed in um in the laws

903
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,240
that are on the books you know he worked

904
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,720
in washington dc for many years and is

905
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,440
quite up to speed on on the antiquities

906
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,440
acts and because of the kennewick man

907
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,920
how that's changed he is going to be uh

908
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,920
making an effort to

909
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,480
uh gain access to the body which has not

910
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,440
been buried are you sure about that i'm

911
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,680
i'm almost positive at this point based

912
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,359
on the information i have and if that's

913
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,040
the case you know they're either going

914
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,520
to quickly bury this or we're going to

915
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,680
be able to get clifford to somehow get

916
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,680
through the side door on this and

917
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:27,119
and and i'm i'm hoping to gain access uh

918
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,240
to this

919
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,880
particular small small mummy and if

920
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,119
that's the case and we can with a

921
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,680
certain degree of certainty uh you know

922
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,599
establish that this is the uh the body

923
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,200
that that was photographed

924
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,280
then that will put this whole thing to

925
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,000
rest uh once and for all i don't care

926
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,240
what linda has to say what jaime has to

927
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,359
say what adam has to say if that body is

928
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,880
uh proven to be the one in the

929
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,440
photograph uh end of story well i

930
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,200
already think it's evidence story and i

931
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:56,720
don't care what they have to say about

932
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,680
it anymore already because i think it's

933
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,480
so

934
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,520
close closed at this point but even

935
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,280
though they keep making noise and i'm

936
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,000
reticent to do any more work on this

937
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,760
case even though i keep getting pulled

938
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,000
into it because the roswell group i

939
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,520
talked with some of them and they you

940
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,599
know we've been in communication so i

941
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,119
have done some work along these lines

942
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,880
and it may be helpful to you and i

943
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,400
hadn't thought of clifford that's a

944
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,720
great way or even the navajo rangers to

945
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,760
get help

946
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,280
let's do our break here guys and we'll

947
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,800
get into okay

948
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,359
one thing we got more to come about this

949
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,200
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950
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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

1060
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,040
the power card

1061
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,680
with gene and chris and the power cast

1062
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,359
trying to

1063
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,839
do the last due diligence about slide

1064
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,720
gate

1065
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,599
because i see that every effort to stop

1066
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,400
talking about is not going to succeed

1067
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,760
well you know there's one thing jane

1068
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,079
that nobody has brought up and it's like

1069
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,839
one of those force for the trees no

1070
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,880
brainers

1071
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,079
if this slide is from 1947

1072
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,160
and it's showing this particular

1073
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,200
desiccated body that's obviously been

1074
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,480
dead for a long time

1075
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,599
is there something wrong with that

1076
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,640
picture

1077
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,560
then there's no connection at all to

1078
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:44,640
roswell just based on the condition of

1079
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,560
the body and the claim of a 1947 date i

1080
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,480
mean that right there in my mind ends

1081
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,040
the conversation that is so

1082
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,680
funny that you say that because i felt

1083
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,720
like a complete idiot a few days ago

1084
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,119
when and i think it was the move on

1085
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,160
facebook forum or and some lady just

1086
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,319
some random older lady came in there and

1087
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:07,280
said

1088
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,440
thought that if this slide's from 1947

1089
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,720
that body obviously uh has been uh dead

1090
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,119
for a long time so it can't be from

1091
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,920
roswell that is a great point and i

1092
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,079
don't i i feel like an idiot for not

1093
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,920
thinking of that before nor have i heard

1094
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,680
the roswell slides group or anybody

1095
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,680
really mention that and i wonder if that

1096
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,160
question has been posed to to don and

1097
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,760
crew you know um

1098
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,599
it's a great point but i wanted to

1099
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,200
obviously

1100
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,440
so we do have and i have a link to it in

1101
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,760
my story an article from uh something

1102
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,480
like 1896 it's an article or no it's

1103
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,920
from 1940 sorry and it is written by s l

1104
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,400
palmer and he tells us exact story of

1105
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,240
how they found the body and how they

1106
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,359
found it in montezuma's castle um but

1107
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,960
then like you mentioned there are some

1108
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,880
stories about how the body was at mesa

1109
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,920
verde and then also at the montezuma

1110
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,800
castle museum

1111
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,040
i emailed the national park service and

1112
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,640
had some conversation with their

1113
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,640
anthropologists where he said he didn't

1114
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,160
know a lot of information but he would

1115
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,560
do some search uh he did go check with a

1116
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,480
colleague and then he got back with me

1117
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:17,040
and said i'm sorry we can't share any

1118
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,280
more information about that body and um

1119
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,760
the reason i i'm guessing is because and

1120
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,800
they're tight-lipped about these bodies

1121
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,960
that they have returned

1122
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,560
so essentially just for your audience

1123
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:31,520
even though you guys have probably

1124
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,960
covered this that a lot of these bodies

1125
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,119
i mean s.l palmer talks about how they

1126
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,720
were just going on vacation and then

1127
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,440
they decided to do some excavating so

1128
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,599
anybody could go to these ruins and take

1129
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,599
junk out of it and that's essentially

1130
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,040
what they did and that's how they got

1131
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:48,880
this this body

1132
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,280
but um in the 80s you know the native

1133
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,200
americans the pueblo ended unions the

1134
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,280
ancestors of the anasazi's wanted all

1135
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,200
those bodies back so they could re-bury

1136
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,040
them they did win the national park

1137
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,880
service gave back their bodies in the

1138
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,400
late 90s

1139
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:07,359
and supposedly they were reburied that's

1140
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,119
why many assume that uh this body was

1141
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,440
also reburied but perhaps it wasn't like

1142
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
you said chris because they're not

1143
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,000
giving information about the details of

1144
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,200
this body and i guess

1145
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,280
there's a press release out it does talk

1146
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,560
about it a little bit

1147
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,720
which was given to me yeah two days ago

1148
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,640
when i went to the castle the castle is

1149
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000
just down the road from my house i mean

1150
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,680
i go to the top of my hill and i can see

1151
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,119
it right

1152
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,200
right which is so interesting uh that's

1153
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,520
right here in our backyard but i i one

1154
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,040
of the things that i guess they don't do

1155
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,640
is even talk about the bodies because

1156
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,520
they feel that they're it's

1157
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,000
disrespectful even to talk about them so

1158
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,319
i'm sure especially some of the people

1159
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,160
who are more sensitive about this in in

1160
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,560
the native american community are

1161
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:52,640
probably not very happy about the whole

1162
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,000
discussion uh at that level as well but

1163
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,520
like you said i mean if we could find

1164
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,040
out more that would be interesting i

1165
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,400
think it's all interesting but uh

1166
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,240
i mean you know we've talked about it

1167
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,400
first of all one of the things you know

1168
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,920
when people started getting upset with

1169
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,760
me i started getting emails from jaime

1170
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,599
and don and others when i wrote my story

1171
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,359
when it was case closed and they were

1172
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,599
like why didn't you include our science

1173
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:17,760
first of all and second of all well that

1174
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,119
was their main argument but the issue is

1175
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,440
when you look at the picture the layman

1176
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,680
and this is why i think so many people

1177
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,319
are so upset when you look at the

1178
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,520
picture even as a layman it looks like a

1179
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,079
mummified body in a museum

1180
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,640
and i think people are like what the

1181
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,640
heck were you trying to tell me this was

1182
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,359
an alien for and so when it looks like

1183
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,200
that i think the question in people's

1184
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,680
mind predominantly is

1185
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,520
how could you think this is anything

1186
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,319
other than a mummified body and that's

1187
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,160
the question that i think these guys

1188
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,480
have to answer that they're reticent to

1189
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,480
answer that they're being very i think

1190
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,960
aloof about yeah and how much money did

1191
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,960
this whole fiasco generate for you

1192
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,200
that's another great question and you

1193
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,520
know i know some behind the scenes i

1194
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,319
even know some numbers but i'll tell you

1195
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,079
what the person who

1196
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,040
as far as i know possibly adam do and

1197
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,839
group made a decent amount but jaime's

1198
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,480
the guy you know that the money went to

1199
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
he says he lost money on the whole thing

1200
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,040
but he's changed his figures around

1201
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,440
several times if there were really six

1202
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,359
thousand people there

1203
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:29,599
and another let's say maybe thousand

1204
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,560
people

1205
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,800
possibly even they said possibly a

1206
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,160
million people

1207
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,240
looking at the uh

1208
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,880
the stream online for twenty dollars or

1209
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,800
whatever it was then

1210
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,119
you know that's a big figure well you

1211
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,200
know unless you get an audit which he

1212
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,599
doesn't have to deliver if he's not

1213
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,200
public corporation

1214
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,520
unless there is some kind of

1215
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,599
public disclosure you know he can say

1216
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,040
anything he wants

1217
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,319
it doesn't matter it doesn't make a

1218
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:58,160
difference he can say anything he wants

1219
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,440
and still

1220
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,640
it's going to be

1221
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,319
bothers me in addition to

1222
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,400
the fact that looked like a mummy in a

1223
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,760
museum is if you had a real alien body

1224
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,440
that you recovered at roswell or any

1225
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,760
recent time you wouldn't stick it in a

1226
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,480
museum case you would have it in a

1227
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,200
secured area and also

1228
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,040
find ways to protect people from

1229
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,280
possible alien viruses i mean that would

1230
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,960
be like job number one you know get out

1231
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,440
the hazmat suits and everything right

1232
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,440
not according to linda that that's an

1233
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,119
alien body was put out there just to see

1234
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:33,040
if people would uh notice what it was

1235
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,000
and uh

1236
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,599
and end of story

1237
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,599
oh sure i can believe that you know

1238
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,680
that's also part of it there

1239
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,440
linda molten howe

1240
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,520
and i think whitley strieber is back on

1241
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,960
this kick now

1242
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,839
that this thing is all a secret plot

1243
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,720
from someone to test our reaction to the

1244
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:51,760
presence

1245
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,880
a secret plot to convince people

1246
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,079
that

1247
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,319
this is an alien body to test their

1248
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,520
reaction i mean really

1249
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,680
yeah i mean whitley strieber was one of

1250
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,440
the first guys to come out and say this

1251
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,839
is a forest this is terrible uh what's

1252
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,560
going on here and then he did this

1253
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:12,480
interview with jaime that totally

1254
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,560
changed his mind and he did this

1255
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,200
interview with taimei and and linda howe

1256
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,760
with this really wild idea and i'm sorry

1257
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,640
but this is really really bad this is

1258
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,160
just really

1259
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,800
silly and ridiculous and this is the

1260
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:29,200
kind of thing that really just um i

1261
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,240
think can

1262
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,079
makes the mainstream or the average

1263
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,400
person think that you know this

1264
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:37,359
community is ridiculous because by that

1265
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,480
logic

1266
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:39,520
any

1267
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,640
extraterrestrial or alien and it's the

1268
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,119
government trying to put it on display

1269
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,040
to i to i don't even understand why they

1270
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,359
would want to do that but uh

1271
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,839
i mean the danger of like you said if

1272
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,760
they were to do this to contaminating

1273
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,760
people or some sort of contamination but

1274
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:01,359
also the danger of the object getting

1275
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,480
stolen

1276
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,359
the danger of somebody dead scientist

1277
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,880
saying hmm this is weird i'm going to do

1278
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,599
a dna test and find out that it's it's

1279
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,640
weird

1280
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,319
i mean i don't know and the other

1281
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,839
problem is is

1282
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,400
best case scenario and

1283
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,040
i think this body is probably normal i

1284
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,040
think these scientists are just

1285
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,000
really inept i think they've proved that

1286
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,400
but even if there are some physical

1287
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,160
anomalies then

1288
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,040
here again we've got the greer now uh

1289
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:34,640
alien body we've got a a human body that

1290
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,240
uh has some sort of abnormalities but uh

1291
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,240
it has nothing to do with you know

1292
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,319
aliens or ufos or yeah where do you

1293
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,720
think the the adam do idea probably came

1294
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,960
from it's a good question and there are

1295
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,040
lots of similarities but you know one

1296
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,160
difference here is that uh at least

1297
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,720
jaime's scientists are standing by their

1298
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,040
their theory that you know this thing is

1299
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,440
abnormal and non-human where what was

1300
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,800
really difficult about the greer

1301
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,920
situation was that his scientist

1302
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,680
was saying that this thing is

1303
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,280
inequitably

1304
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,599
this thing is definitely human and greer

1305
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,359
kept going around saying no that's not

1306
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,000
what he's saying what he's saying is

1307
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,160
uh which was really frustrating he would

1308
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,400
say no i'm sorry you don't understand

1309
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:20,640
what he said here's what he said no he

1310
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,839
said it very clear in uncertain terms to

1311
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,839
several media groups this isn't this is

1312
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,960
human

1313
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,000
um

1314
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,160
so at least you don't have that aspect

1315
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,240
but it's still uh

1316
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,160
certainly frustrating

1317
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,480
and the reason i get so frustrated it is

1318
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,720
especially dawn

1319
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,440
out of this i mean tom i don't know he's

1320
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:43,440
kind of in the background i've never

1321
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,640
seen him uh i like the guy and this is

1322
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,359
means no disrespect but um not as like a

1323
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,520
lifetime hardcore researcher he

1324
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,000
definitely has done helped done and does

1325
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,920
some great work on his own and getting

1326
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,680
some witnesses and and everything when

1327
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,440
it comes to the roswell case

1328
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,079
but don is someone i just know better

1329
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,880
i i have i he's a friend i really know

1330
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:07,760
better than he is no better

1331
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,400
yeah

1332
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,640
and i i think that's it exactly so

1333
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,520
that's what's really frustrating uh it's

1334
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,000
difficult to see him go through this

1335
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,160
and it's difficult to see him

1336
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,680
continue to

1337
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,200
put himself

1338
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,280
in this difficult situation we'll have

1339
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,440
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1340
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1373
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1374
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1375
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,760
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1376
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,280
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1377
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,040
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1378
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,040
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1379
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,839
entering the room these are signs of ep

1380
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1381
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1382
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1383
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1384
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1385
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1386
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1387
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1388
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1390
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1391
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1392
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1393
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1396
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1398
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1399
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1400
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,400
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1401
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:48,160
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1402
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[Music]

1404
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,990
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1405
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,599
standard of paranormal radio

1406
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:04,880
and now

1407
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,150
alejandra rojas of open minds joins us

1408
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,000
with gene and chris a little bit more

1409
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,640
discussion about slide gate i should

1410
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,520
mention i did send a formal invitation

1411
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,119
to don schmidt

1412
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,880
to come on the power cast explain

1413
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,960
himself answer the questions

1414
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,800
haven't heard from him yet i don't know

1415
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,240
if he'd want to

1416
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,880
but alejandro he's your friend tell him

1417
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,119
that we will treat him fairly but he

1418
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:37,359
still has to answer the questions don

1419
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,800
schmidt talks about sly gate on the bear

1420
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,960
cast

1421
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:45,040
yeah right all right cool we got us we

1422
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,800
got a stinger for the show whatever yeah

1423
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,359
there you go you can use that

1424
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,200
yeah he'll be on the show eventually and

1425
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,880
we'll see if he'll talk about it he he

1426
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,640
hasn't really even done an interview

1427
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,000
with me either

1428
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,280
like i said i'm reticent to come back to

1429
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,880
this whole thing

1430
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,960
i think maybe i would do a short

1431
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,119
video interview skype interview with

1432
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,880
adam do if he wants to eventually he

1433
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,920
says he might but uh it's just so done

1434
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,480
and over the placard says it's a mummy

1435
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,280
the mummy's been or a mummified body the

1436
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,200
history of the mummified body has been

1437
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,400
discovered it's a mummified body they

1438
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,880
gotta quit arguing that we have some

1439
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:25,200
sort of responsibility to them because

1440
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,800
we do not

1441
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,599
they have the responsibility as the

1442
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:32,960
people making these huge claims to prove

1443
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,240
to us otherwise and it has to be better

1444
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,280
than just we have some scientists in

1445
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,480
mexico

1446
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,760
who uh speak spanish who are saying that

1447
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,720
they've measured things on this slide

1448
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,680
that is over 50 years old and these

1449
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:51,920
measurements to them signify there's

1450
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,640
something strange here that just doesn't

1451
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:56,880
fly especially when we have more

1452
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,359
credentialed scientists that are english

1453
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,599
speaking not to say english speaking are

1454
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,880
better but at least they're able to

1455
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,680
articulate um their findings who in no

1456
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,160
uncertain terms have have guaranteed us

1457
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,960
that this is a a human body and the

1458
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,119
layman can also look at the image and

1459
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,799
verify that for

1460
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,599
themselves so uh you know and what's

1461
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,760
really funny about this is don himself

1462
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,240
told me many uh when i first talked to

1463
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,160
him about bragalia and some of his

1464
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,319
things and he didn't give me details he

1465
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,839
told me you know just we're going to

1466
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,240
release more what regalia is releasing

1467
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,480
his rumors but he did tell me you know

1468
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,240
in the end i do realize there's not

1469
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,400
going to be anything definitive here

1470
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,440
because it is just an image and we can't

1471
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:41,920
do any dna we can't do anything to to

1472
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,040
prove definitively it's e.t it's just an

1473
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,760
image and he's right the dawn of

1474
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,000
yesteryear is correct that you know

1475
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:51,760
there's there's no further you can take

1476
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,200
that so it's kind of a dead end and

1477
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,240
especially for us i'm more interested

1478
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:00,880
and i think you all are probably similar

1479
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,839
in that we're harsh on cases we we are

1480
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,640
skeptical and we uh because

1481
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,559
you know what we've seen the videos

1482
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,240
we've seen the pictures we've probably

1483
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,920
even seen you guys have probably seen

1484
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,760
anomalous things yourselves with your

1485
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,319
own eyes it's not a question of whether

1486
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,920
or not there's anomalous things

1487
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:19,920
happening in the world it's a question

1488
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,960
of how good is the material that we can

1489
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,280
gather and that we can collect to show

1490
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,359
the rest of the world this is happening

1491
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,559
and we don't want to look foolish in

1492
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,880
just making these wild claims without

1493
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,200
being able to back them up we want the

1494
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,000
good material out there that we can back

1495
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,559
up that is compelling to the general

1496
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,880
public and that's where we need to spend

1497
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,480
our efforts

1498
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,440
not on goofball junk like this

1499
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,680
you know what also i think it's happened

1500
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,400
here is this puts the nail in the coffin

1501
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,559
the chances of finding anything more

1502
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,160
about roswell

1503
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,000
first of all people are going to be

1504
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,319
soured about it people who might have

1505
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,000
some piece of information will look at

1506
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,920
this and be disgusted why should i get

1507
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,160
involved in this train wreck in the

1508
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,280
circus so we almost here as a result of

1509
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,599
this have to set aside roswell give it

1510
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,079
up get on to something else

1511
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,319
maybe but the public's memory is more

1512
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,200
short term and we have this mass

1513
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,720
societal add kind of world going on

1514
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,960
so i think it won't be long till for

1515
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:26,960
people to forget it it does kind of

1516
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,839
taint the the idea of roswell so

1517
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,440
i mean you're always afraid of like the

1518
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,520
doug and dave thing the public now when

1519
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,119
i talk to practically anybody in the

1520
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,040
general public they say we're in crop

1521
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,680
circles those two old guys you know they

1522
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,280
just got this idea that they're a hoax

1523
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,760
and they were these two old guys um with

1524
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,000
roswell you know you always run the fear

1525
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,079
of people attaching

1526
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,480
wasn't that hoaxed by you know this guy

1527
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:53,520
in mexico you know uh people kind of

1528
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,559
simplifying everything down to a simple

1529
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,920
answer so

1530
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,000
i think it makes it harder but i'm

1531
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,240
hopeful i guess that it doesn't

1532
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,440
close the books in regard to the public

1533
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,599
in talking about public interest you

1534
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:10,000
were over at this event contact in the

1535
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:11,040
desert

1536
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,799
well i mean these are just some people

1537
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,359
and and this is what's unique about

1538
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,520
contact in the desert it's it's very

1539
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:24,960
metaphysical

1540
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:27,280
these are uh people that run the joshua

1541
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,160
treat

1542
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,319
center and it's a it's kind of a

1543
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:32,960
metaphysical kind of place you go to

1544
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,680
it's got houses and these houses have um

1545
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,920
you know a teacher's room which is a

1546
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,319
separate room with a bathroom and then

1547
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,319
it has dorm rooms where there's a bunch

1548
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,640
of beds throughout the house so it's

1549
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,640
kind of like this teacher-student type

1550
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,119
of setup where people come and maybe

1551
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,119
they're taught about yoga or they're

1552
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,119
taught about healing and they have all

1553
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,040
of these sort of things so it's it's a

1554
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,359
metaphysical centered place

1555
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,599
um actually i found out just recently

1556
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,520
that it's a good friend of mine um steve

1557
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,880
murillo from from los angeles he's uh

1558
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,760
used to be with mufamadi's paranormal uh

1559
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,920
a paranormal meetup out there

1560
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,079
he wanted to do a ufo event because he's

1561
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,319
into ufos they thought it was a great

1562
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,480
idea eventually you know contacting the

1563
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,400
desert ended up running it and they

1564
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,400
decided yeah let's do a ufo thing even

1565
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,319
though you know ufos isn't their main

1566
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,440
deal so they kind of looked around

1567
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,280
googled ufos

1568
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,520
and i saw the personalities that were

1569
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,200
involved and

1570
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,200
invited them to start doing these talks

1571
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,240
and so this is this was the third year

1572
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,960
it's in the desert it's hot

1573
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,599
it's um you know they've got several

1574
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,160
different buildings with about five or

1575
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,880
six events going on at the same time

1576
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,880
you you gotta stand in line outside to

1577
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,440
get into the event uh the rooms are sort

1578
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,400
of not that big so you're not guaranteed

1579
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,079
to get into your first choice but

1580
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,319
hopefully you'll get into your third sec

1581
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:02,000
fourth

1582
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,920
so it's different you know a lot of the

1583
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,599
people out there are camping because you

1584
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,920
don't have a lot of motels and hotels

1585
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,520
nearby

1586
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,839
so so it's a younger crowd it's a

1587
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,000
metaphysical crowd a lot of kind of

1588
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:16,799
hippies and stuff like that lots of body

1589
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,559
odor but uh lots of body odor yeah you

1590
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,200
know hot in the desert and you know

1591
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,160
showers crowd is is not into showering

1592
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,079
so much anyway porta potties that are

1593
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,440
overflowing

1594
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,200
well no they actually have good at good

1595
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,880
bathroom facilities they don't have good

1596
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,359
porta potties uh they do have bathrooms

1597
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,440
uh throughout the center so you're good

1598
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,599
that way um

1599
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,760
so and and you know it is in the town of

1600
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:43,920
joshua trees so there's grocery stores

1601
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,480
and things like that nearby so

1602
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,559
um so yeah it's it's an interesting

1603
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:50,319
gathering um

1604
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,760
i don't know the figures i've seen i i'd

1605
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,200
to me it seemed like this year was a

1606
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:57,680
little smaller see but if i say

1607
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,040
something it's going to be tainted

1608
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,960
because people are going to think oh i'm

1609
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,079
just kind of

1610
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,240
saying stuff to pump up our event the

1611
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,559
ufo congress which is a guinness world's

1612
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,280
record winner for the largest ufo

1613
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,640
conference but anyway um you know i

1614
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,640
think they had a little bit less people

1615
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:17,520
there but they had a big crowd and uh it

1616
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:18,880
is more

1617
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,760
um i mean

1618
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:24,240
metaphysical so there's a lot of topics

1619
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,400
that personally i am not as into

1620
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:30,640
um so there's not as many lectures that

1621
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:33,920
i get excited about there um giorgio

1622
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:37,119
sucrulos goes out there i know i'm not i

1623
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,400
don't see it eye to eye with all the

1624
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,319
ancient alien stuff but i love georgio

1625
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,280
he's so fun he's so entertaining he's a

1626
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,119
really cool guy it's always good to see

1627
01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:47,520
him otherwise i see my other good old

1628
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,040
buddies the same old people we see

1629
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,720
around um but i that's that's the event

1630
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,799
out there so

1631
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,359
does that answer your question

1632
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,680
you were mentioning a younger age group

1633
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,680
because we see even at the international

1634
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,520
ufo congress

1635
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,760
more and more older people come to those

1636
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,160
i won't specify a median age i'm sure

1637
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,240
you folks probably know what it is

1638
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,640
but something like the event in the

1639
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,640
desert and we'll have to do a break in a

1640
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,559
moment so we'll have the answer in our

1641
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,039
next segment that is

1642
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,039
what age group on average are we talking

1643
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,319
about 20s 30s 40s what is it

1644
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:25,920
interesting to find out we have

1645
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,760
alejandro rojas from open minds a lot

1646
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,440
more to talk about plus we have some

1647
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,799
questions from our listeners at

1648
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1649
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you pick up the receiver with your heart

1651
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doctor both a veterinarian and

1701
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naturopathic physician doc asks why does

1702
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:59,760
the united states spend more money on

1703
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health care by far and still rank 50th

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1711
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effects and more toxic prescription

1712
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drugs doc wallach's message is

1713
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resonating with an increasing number of

1714
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americans who are waking up to all the

1715
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big government big pharma and big

1716
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insurance manipulation of our health

1717
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care system i'm george dory and i like

1718
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what doc wallach is saying and doing to

1719
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enlighten people about healthcare visit

1720
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1721
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wallach's deadly recipes lecture it

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1750
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1751
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1752
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,559
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1753
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1754
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1755
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,029
we continue with alejandro rojas let me

1756
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,520
tell you first of all that for a limited

1757
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:17,279
time only we're still giving away the

1758
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free copy of

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stalking the tricksters the ebook

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five years if you sign up for those

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periods fifty dollars or a hundred

1772
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seventy five dollars we get you stalking

1773
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:53,839
the tricksters from chris o'brien we've

1774
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,560
got alejandro rojas here and i asked him

1775
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,239
a question about the

1776
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,159
contact in the desert

1777
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,880
joshua tree california

1778
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,359
what kind of age group did you see well

1779
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,359
that's what's funny uh you have the

1780
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,359
metaphysical crowd which is kind of the

1781
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,759
hippies and the younger people lots of

1782
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,960
younger couples around i would say even

1783
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,560
20s 30s

1784
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,799
and then you have the traditional group

1785
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,799
of the retirees

1786
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,359
and you have little in between really

1787
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:25,520
but you know what i saw a lot less of

1788
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:26,640
this year

1789
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,839
was our ufo congress older crowd and

1790
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,600
that kind of puts a bad thing even

1791
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,960
though you know

1792
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,279
it we have crowd the crowd is you know

1793
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,600
among uh all age groups and we've had a

1794
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,759
lot of younger people lately but you

1795
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,839
know the yet the average age is still up

1796
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,000
there the older people i think aren't

1797
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,679
able to take the heat as much so there

1798
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,679
weren't as many of the the older crowd

1799
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,759
there this year but yeah a lot of

1800
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,000
couples in their 20s and 30s i think a

1801
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,239
lot of them too are you know their

1802
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,120
girlfriends of or their wives have are

1803
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,120
into metaphysicals and stuff and so they

1804
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,960
kind of drug their their spouse or

1805
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,520
boyfriend with them kind of stuff also

1806
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,760
you know i think a lot of people

1807
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,840
i think it's a lot of californians want

1808
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,000
an excuse to go camping because uh you

1809
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,320
know uh so it's it's you can go camping

1810
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,480
and then see these lectures as well

1811
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,000
chris we have some questions from our

1812
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,239
listeners maybe get a couple in here now

1813
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,000
yeah it's uh good that we're moving on a

1814
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,239
little bit here

1815
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,000
here's one that comes from cosmonaut and

1816
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,000
he's been a long time poster at uh to

1817
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,640
prepare cast since 2009

1818
01:10:34,270 --> 01:10:31,199
and of course you also can pose

1819
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,280
questions for our guests if you go to

1820
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,320
forum.theparacast.com and look for our

1821
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,159
question bank and this comes from

1822
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,239
someone who's only posted 17 message

1823
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:43,360
alejandro in uh uh six years so uh you

1824
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,320
brought him you're bringing him out of

1825
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,239
the woodwork all right so he wants to

1826
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:47,840
know if you believe that any of the

1827
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,480
classic 1950s contact d cases are

1828
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,560
legitimate and he wants to know about

1829
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,120
all about wendell stevens and his ufo

1830
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,679
contact from a series of books uh he's

1831
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,360
wondering where you come down on on

1832
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,440
wendell's work he has another question

1833
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:03,760
about the omission of ufo research but

1834
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,960
we'll handle that uh next okay

1835
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,760
uh the contact is is an awesome topic i

1836
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,239
love the contact e topic and i love the

1837
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:14,800
giant rock topic and one of the

1838
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,360
interesting things is even though it's

1839
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,679
kind of a large cultural phenomena

1840
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:22,159
especially for us in the ufo field it's

1841
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:25,679
kind of getting lost to obscurity i mean

1842
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,800
it was this kind of side fringe kind of

1843
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,840
movement

1844
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,239
and it's not necessarily something that

1845
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,960
was recorded well and as time goes on

1846
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,960
people begin to forget all about this

1847
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:39,520
stuff but sociologically i think it's

1848
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,480
really interesting as well giant rock uh

1849
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,040
is is joshua trees kind of as close to

1850
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,760
this giant rock that's in the california

1851
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:50,080
desert in fact last year was the first

1852
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,679
time when i went to joshua tree i got to

1853
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:54,480
go visit the giant rock and it was owned

1854
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,840
by this guy who believed he was talking

1855
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,440
to extraterrestrials he was actually

1856
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,120
friends with howard hughes he had worked

1857
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,800
with howard hughes um howard george

1858
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,120
george van tassel is his name

1859
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:08,560
and he would have these annual

1860
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,480
conferences out in the desert and it hot

1861
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,239
thousands of people would come drive

1862
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,000
their cars and stand out in the desert

1863
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:18,560
they had this makeshift wooden podium

1864
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,280
with like this big speaker that people

1865
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,120
would speak into and tell people about

1866
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,760
how they met when talked with aliens

1867
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,600
this is one of the difficult things with

1868
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,920
people uh with i think people who

1869
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,000
believe they've talked with aliens and

1870
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,920
and their followers i think you have to

1871
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,280
be careful a lot of these guys are

1872
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,520
charlatans you just uh because it's easy

1873
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,480
to go say i talk to a talk to aliens and

1874
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,239
be authoritative and certain about it

1875
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,239
and get a large following you can do

1876
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,199
that i've known and heard stories of how

1877
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,960
people who do this tell other people you

1878
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,280
want to be big in this field tell people

1879
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,360
you're talking to aliens write a book

1880
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:55,120
about it people will invite you to

1881
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,719
conferences and you can do lectures and

1882
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,320
you'll get a big following and it's true

1883
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,920
it's easy to do

1884
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,320
so uh stephen grier

1885
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,560
yet so you have to be careful with this

1886
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,320
sort of thing the other thing with the

1887
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,360
contact is is now a lot of the science

1888
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,960
that they say they learned from the

1889
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,520
aliens is really kind of outdated we

1890
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,080
know much more about all the planets of

1891
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,920
course adamski saying people lived on

1892
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,199
venus and

1893
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,120
and describing what he saw when he flew

1894
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:23,280
around to the planets so it's

1895
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,480
interesting

1896
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,480
can i say for certain that none of those

1897
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,600
people talk to aliens no i don't know

1898
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,920
most of their messages were very

1899
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:34,080
positive you know about how we need to

1900
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,920
save the planet and everything so that's

1901
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:37,440
a good thing

1902
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,800
also i do a talk about ufos and religion

1903
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,040
and how extraterrestrials and the ufo

1904
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:44,960
movement has affected religion and

1905
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,760
spawned new ones and there are at least

1906
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,280
one religion and i can't think of the

1907
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,000
name right now but the reality is not

1908
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,840
the aliens it's a different one that's

1909
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,600
better than that raelians really kind of

1910
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,280
out there but it's you know very

1911
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,760
positive about how it's very inclusive

1912
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,520
we don't believe any religion is right

1913
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,120
we believe we have to treat each other

1914
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,000
well and we're all one i mean he's very

1915
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:07,920
positive it's a very positive religion

1916
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,560
if this religion continues to flourish

1917
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,880
like it has and it becomes one of the

1918
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,960
major religions in the future i don't

1919
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:16,239
see a problem with that because it's

1920
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,920
better within a lot of the other

1921
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,360
religions

1922
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,120
including the traditional ones in my

1923
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,280
eyes i'm i'm agnostic so i don't

1924
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,920
subscribe to any religious tradition so

1925
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,719
they're all kind of weird to me so it's

1926
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,120
an interesting movement i don't know if

1927
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,640
any of them were actually talking with

1928
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,560
extraterrestrials one of the things that

1929
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:37,760
i did many years ago is i learned i used

1930
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,000
to teach meditation and then when i

1931
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,840
started doing abduction research i

1932
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:44,719
noticed that the regression

1933
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,960
protocols were very simple similar to

1934
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,040
the meditation protocols

1935
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:52,239
so i went to school to get a certificate

1936
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,800
in hypnotherapy and i learned and then

1937
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,960
practiced uh have practiced somewhat in

1938
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,679
the hypnotherapy and uh but i learned

1939
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,840
something very interesting and then i i

1940
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,280
got a degree i have a bachelor's in

1941
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,080
psychology and i i've learned that the

1942
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,520
mind is

1943
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,520
very susceptible

1944
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,400
to false memories to

1945
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,040
fantasy and often the mind cannot

1946
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:17,360
determine whether or not that fantasy is

1947
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,800
real or not so if you have let's say a

1948
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,120
dream or even a meditation that's very

1949
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,520
vivid there's no telling it's difficult

1950
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,520
for the mind and the person to know if

1951
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,679
that came from a third party when

1952
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,080
actually it did spawn from

1953
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:34,159
your own mind i mean that's what dreams

1954
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,400
are about look how weird dreams are or

1955
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,480
if you even if you get into freud that's

1956
01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:40,000
what freud was all about dream

1957
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,280
interpretation and how dreams are a

1958
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,480
manifestation of your emotion and your

1959
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:46,880
emotional state and your subconscious

1960
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:49,040
that's uh more where young came in about

1961
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,560
how these are manifestations of a

1962
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,199
subconscious and common understandings

1963
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,800
that we all have

1964
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:56,880
so i've gone through and i've walked

1965
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,360
people through a uh essentially what's a

1966
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,000
guided meditation or a hypno

1967
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,640
therapy session and the mind comes up

1968
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,120
with this wild wild stuff and every time

1969
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,280
people are like i don't know how i came

1970
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:10,960
up with that stuff

1971
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:14,880
so i think a lot of people prescribe or

1972
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:17,199
a lot of people assume that these ideas

1973
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,120
and concepts that come up in their mind

1974
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,280
are from a third party when they're not

1975
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,960
let's talk more about let's talk more

1976
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:24,640
about this in our next segment with

1977
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,679
alejandro rojas talking about contactees

1978
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,360
and i'll drop one thought before we do

1979
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:31,840
that with gene and chris you're in the

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not just an alternative to the

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mainstream media we're the premier

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c

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does not use any database you get full

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the images of a folder drag it into

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graphic inverter and a powerful browser

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could use it for slideshows you could

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use it to import images from digital

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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it's very easy to be a criminal all you

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need to burglarize a home is one simple

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household tool a pair of scissors if

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your home security system can be

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compromised by a criminal using scissors

2010
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then you're making it easy for them

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almost every home security system even

2012
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those sold by big name companies has a

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hi this is ted anderson have you ever

2049
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wondered why banks stock brokers

2050
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investment advisors won't talk about

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gold iras they've been available since

2052
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1986 yet the financial industry won't

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recognize the value of gold for your

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retirement gold is outperformed paper

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investments yet no word about iras if

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system falling apart china getting out

2063
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of u.s treasuries at the end of 2008 the

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time of tarp the national debt was at 11

2065
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trillion gold trading around 850 dollars

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per ounce close to 2012 the national

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to 1600 pounds the 20 trillion threshold

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for the national debt is inevitable

2070
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politicians in washington have a

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ferocious appetite for spending and

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this is robert hastings author of ufos

2085
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,640
and nukes and you're listening to the

2086
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:05,360
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

2087
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,950
with gene and chris and the power cast

2088
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,199
alejandro rojas talking about the

2089
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,000
contact movement now i

2090
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,080
sometimes want to put a positive view on

2091
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,080
things although people think that i'm

2092
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,159
always negative and i thought well maybe

2093
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,679
it's possible that one or more of these

2094
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:28,080
contactees had some kind of real

2095
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:29,360
experience

2096
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,239
but

2097
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,080
it wasn't repeated so they had to have

2098
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,600
more experiences because suddenly

2099
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,880
they're famous

2100
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,199
these unknown people have followers and

2101
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,719
the other theory and that came from

2102
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,960
howard manager by the way because he

2103
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,040
said that that he thought his contact

2104
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,520
was really a government experiment that

2105
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,199
some mind control people were pulling

2106
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:49,920
stunts in the 50s and 60s

2107
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,239
giving these people maybe vulnerable or

2108
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,560
whatever reason the impression that

2109
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,639
they've been contacted by et when they

2110
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,560
were just subjected to drugs or

2111
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,159
something what's your perception

2112
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,880
alejandro that is a really great point

2113
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,280
and i do believe that happens i believe

2114
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,760
that the billy meyer case is probably

2115
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,000
along those lines and others and you

2116
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,480
know who coined a phrase i don't know if

2117
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,800
you've seen ben hansen or had ben hansen

2118
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,719
on the show i hope you guys if you

2119
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,400
haven't you need to to talk about this

2120
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,560
because he's done a lot of work in this

2121
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,960
because he's got a background with the

2122
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,360
fbi and he's done a lot of work and

2123
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,120
thought on profiling and things like

2124
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,480
this he calls it legendizing when

2125
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,480
something really does

2126
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,360
happen to someone they get a lot of fame

2127
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:38,080
for it but it doesn't happen again so

2128
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,239
then they start to uh fabricate hoax um

2129
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,560
in order to stay in the limelight and he

2130
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,159
calls it legendizing where they're

2131
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,719
legendizing themselves and i do think

2132
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:51,440
that that is a something that happens

2133
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,080
probably quite a bit in this field and

2134
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,639
uh i i might personally that's where i

2135
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:59,120
put like the billy myer case adamski is

2136
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,639
a good example he did have some real

2137
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,560
sightings very early on

2138
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,920
and then you know when he was at mount

2139
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,080
palomar there and and uh and then later

2140
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,639
on of course uh it evolved into a whole

2141
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,719
belief system and in lots of tall tales

2142
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:12,800
but well one thing i want to mention is

2143
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,920
ray stamford uh met and actually spent

2144
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,400
uh considerable amounts of time with all

2145
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,800
the the most famous of the contactees uh

2146
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,719
adamski daniel fry

2147
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,639
you know george hunt williamson uh

2148
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:26,639
george van tassel the list goes on and

2149
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,440
on

2150
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,800
he's made this comment to me several

2151
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,400
times and in fact he just made it to me

2152
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:32,560
recently that out of all the people that

2153
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,880
he talked to that claim to have contact

2154
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,880
the experiences he said he didn't

2155
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,480
believe any of them he thought maybe

2156
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:40,719
some of them have had had sightings at a

2157
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:43,600
distance but none had had contact he

2158
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,000
said with one exception and he said

2159
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,480
truman bathroom is the only one that he

2160
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,239
actually believed because first of all

2161
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,520
there was some physical evidence

2162
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:54,080
involved and second of all he did

2163
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,040
something very uh inexplicable he

2164
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:00,480
privately wrote a book a love a long

2165
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,159
love poem in book size to ora reigns the

2166
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,400
diminutive female captain of the ship

2167
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,719
who supposedly uh bathroom had been in

2168
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,480
contact with and it was all done in

2169
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,239
rhyming couplets

2170
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,800
now the book was never released publicly

2171
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,320
only a few copies were made that were

2172
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:18,800
given uh out privately now why would

2173
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,600
someone go to all that trouble to write

2174
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,000
a whole book a love poem and rhyming

2175
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:26,719
couplets and then not try to capitalize

2176
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,360
on it unless he was either completely

2177
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,440
delusional which ray didn't think he was

2178
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,199
or that he was so impressed by his

2179
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,080
contact experience that uh it had a

2180
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:38,000
profound effect on him and he fell in

2181
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,199
love with his

2182
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,920
his or reigns the captain so just for

2183
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,440
what it's worth that comes from somebody

2184
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,080
who spent a lot of time with uh

2185
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,480
many if not most of the the famous

2186
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,199
contactees and pretty much debunked them

2187
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,040
all with the exception of truman

2188
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,440
bathroom just a little aside there

2189
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:58,000
that's interesting too because truman

2190
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,120
bathroom

2191
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,600
was kind of the poster child for the

2192
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,560
hick kind of contact e type person

2193
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,400
right i mean because he was tall and

2194
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,639
awkward they used to show his picture a

2195
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,639
lot and i believe one of the more famous

2196
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,159
pictures they had of him was in his

2197
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:14,639
overalls and he was holding some sign

2198
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,920
that said uh

2199
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,760
something about ufos and aliens it's a

2200
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:19,440
famous one of the famous giant rock

2201
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,400
pictures

2202
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,560
and i know that was posted in the news a

2203
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,480
lot back then and i've always thought it

2204
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,639
was interesting because it and sad

2205
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,840
tragic in a in a way because he always

2206
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,440
from what i've read and everything was a

2207
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:33,440
very nice you know i like a lot of these

2208
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:36,480
people very nice and and uh kind and you

2209
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,040
know with positive messages wow yeah

2210
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,239
well uh getting to uh another uh pivotal

2211
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,400
uh figure in the field uh who is pretty

2212
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,480
much responsible with unleashing the

2213
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,719
billy meyer beamship phenomenon on the

2214
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,840
on the world

2215
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,840
along with lee and brit elders um of

2216
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:53,520
course i'm speaking about wendell

2217
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,000
stevens who had quite a an amazing

2218
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,040
collection of ufo materials uh spanning

2219
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,840
many decades that uh john rayo and the

2220
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,159
open minds uh crew there

2221
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,719
managed to obtain from wendell and you

2222
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,800
guys have have this uh wonderful

2223
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,880
treasure trove of uh you know period

2224
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:13,040
articles and and books and all sorts of

2225
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:14,560
stuff that uh wendell collected over the

2226
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,360
years

2227
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,880
where do you come down about wendell he

2228
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:18,800
was quite an enigmatic figure and you

2229
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:21,760
know these ufo contact from some of the

2230
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,639
strange titles that he came up with yeah

2231
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,960
a couple of which i i actually own that

2232
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:28,080
are signed

2233
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,840
where do you come down to wendell's work

2234
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:32,239
i mean i think he was he was someone who

2235
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,360
was interested in the topic for for

2236
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:37,760
decades you know early on so he

2237
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,560
collected a lot of material he collected

2238
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,719
material about sightings but especially

2239
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,840
about yeah

2240
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,800
contact cases i think he believed a lot

2241
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,199
of these cases but you know and and

2242
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:51,440
ended up recording a lot of them

2243
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:54,239
interesting enough and and antonio who

2244
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,159
is you know mutual friend i used to work

2245
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,000
with open minds he's kind of a hermit

2246
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,280
right now but uh he made a good point

2247
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,159
when it came to uh how his books came

2248
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,639
about because a lot of these books you

2249
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,199
know about the contactees he wrote while

2250
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,679
he was in prison and that's what's

2251
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,520
interesting a lot of he went to prison a

2252
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,000
lot of people had said that he was set

2253
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,480
up by the government ben antonio makes a

2254
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,040
point if that's true they did the worst

2255
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,880
job ever because all that did was give

2256
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,360
him time to write books and get more of

2257
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:28,239
its information out than ever before so

2258
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,920
it's a silly thing and and you know

2259
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,760
that's i don't believe he was set up i

2260
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,159
think that uh you know he unfortunately

2261
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,719
committed some crime and did the time

2262
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,560
and you know he came out

2263
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,719
having been able to have this uh this

2264
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,719
record of information all of these

2265
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:44,000
things i say about winter are going to

2266
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,280
piss off so many people and

2267
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,880
unfortunately it does

2268
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,719
but you know um that's why you're on the

2269
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:50,560
powercaster that's why you're going

2270
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,120
there yeah well let's let's let's kind

2271
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:55,199
of drill down a little bit uh

2272
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:56,639
wendell had a

2273
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,679
predilection for uh young

2274
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,520
kind of barely teenage girls that

2275
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,600
correct me if i'm wrong right i glassed

2276
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,760
over that on purpose but

2277
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:07,760
you know there's nothing

2278
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,120
okay about that i mean i'll to say that

2279
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,960
i mean that's how i feel is that you

2280
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,679
know he did unfortunately uh was

2281
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,159
attracted to younger girls in fact he

2282
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,880
met his wife when she was as they say

2283
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,560
barely legal and she's like you know

2284
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:24,239
much much younger than he was his last

2285
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:27,920
wife before he uh passed and he did some

2286
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:30,960
inappropriate things um and

2287
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:34,400
he did go to prison for um

2288
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:36,239
contributing to the delinquency of a

2289
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,679
minor uh a few cases of that i believe

2290
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,199
is what he was is charged with and um so

2291
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,239
he he went away for a while um and

2292
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,480
unfortunately unfortunate stage in his

2293
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,800
history but that is it's true that he

2294
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,040
had these um tendencies that he had

2295
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:54,480
these

2296
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:59,679
you know

2297
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,040
we we know

2298
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:03,199
uh we have plenty of we know that this

2299
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,639
is the case so

2300
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,960
that happened um

2301
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,960
you know besides that though with his

2302
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,520
research what the other thing that we've

2303
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,280
gotten a lot of heat for

2304
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,920
is at least when it comes to billy meyer

2305
01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:18,320
we were all really kind of on the fence

2306
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,600
a bit um it's a huge case

2307
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:23,600
and that's why i hadn't

2308
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,719
tackled it thoroughly by the time that i

2309
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,400
came to open minds

2310
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:31,040
but porn has made it toxic

2311
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,679
oh he has he's he's he's one of the most

2312
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,239
awful people in this field i don't say

2313
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:38,480
negative stuff about practically anybody

2314
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,520
but michael horn is someone i i

2315
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,920
do not like and he's he's a bad person

2316
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:45,840
people but uh

2317
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:46,639
um

2318
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:49,120
we had him on the show our first year

2319
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,239
twice

2320
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,280
yeah there was never a busier thread

2321
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:55,679
until it came to the roswell slides or

2322
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,320
slide gate then it got busier

2323
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,159
but i don't want to get into that

2324
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,639
anymore until we break because we have a

2325
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couple of things to talk about first of

2326
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was on the verge of collapsing like all

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2432
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local channels too at just 19.99 what

2433
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,080
are you waiting for pull out your major

2434
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:34,000
credit or debit card call one eight five

2435
01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:36,320
five nine oh five my tv one eight five

2436
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:38,560
five nine oh five my tv

2437
01:34:45,390 --> 01:34:41,199
say goodbye to the cable guy cut costs

2438
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:45,400
and get more 1 855 905 my tv one

2439
01:34:50,980 --> 01:34:55,910
[Music]

2440
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,750
hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

2441
01:35:01,669 --> 01:34:59,920
of dark skies the co-author of ad after

2442
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:01,679
disclosure and you are listening to the

2443
01:35:10,110 --> 01:35:05,040
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

2444
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:12,550
[Music]

2445
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:15,120
with gene and chris and alejandra rojas

2446
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:16,480
we're talking about

2447
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,600
ufos and the contact-y movement and

2448
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,360
about you know whether some of these

2449
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,520
people might not have had

2450
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,600
genuine experiences that were not

2451
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,520
repeated so they want to get the fame

2452
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,760
and the fortune and so they kept it

2453
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,920
going after the initial encounter and

2454
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:33,360
what that does is kind of wreck the

2455
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,400
whole thing

2456
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,480
because there may be something genuine

2457
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,400
there but as soon as you try to put your

2458
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,320
handle on you've got all this excess

2459
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,080
stuff and you get the impression well

2460
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:44,320
they're just lying they're not telling

2461
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:45,840
the truth so let's go on to something

2462
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,199
else

2463
01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:49,199
so i i wanted to get back to the billy

2464
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:50,560
meyer with the wendell stevens because

2465
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:52,719
this is where it went bad for us is when

2466
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,360
we started using wendell stevens

2467
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,280
research because he may be

2468
01:36:01,990 --> 01:35:59,520
besides michael horn the american with

2469
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,000
the most billy meyer material and and

2470
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,800
research and everything it began with

2471
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:07,440
michael schratt great guy he's a very

2472
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:10,000
interesting fella but uh he is an

2473
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:12,639
aeronautics expert and

2474
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,080
he began really examining the photos he

2475
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,400
was actually pretty pro billy meyer

2476
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,920
because he had friends that were really

2477
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,679
into it especially some friends in

2478
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,199
tucson

2479
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:26,400
but then he started finding a lot of

2480
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,880
problems and he started posting this

2481
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:30,080
information

2482
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:33,280
he wrote a story about how there were

2483
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:36,320
lots of calls and loops and stuff

2484
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,320
for hanging the ufos uh he felt he saw

2485
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,199
lines along with these you know like i

2486
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,280
this little screw she put into a model

2487
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:47,840
or something to hold it up but he saw

2488
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:49,760
these things so he quickly he wrote this

2489
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,400
story where he debunked the the pictures

2490
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:54,719
a lot of people got really upset he lost

2491
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:57,040
some friends we lost some friends

2492
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,560
because they felt that we had uh somehow

2493
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,960
you know been disloyal to wendell or

2494
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:04,960
something like that but you know what's

2495
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:06,880
primary with open minds we try to be

2496
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,280
journalistic and we try to present the

2497
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:12,239
information and be truthful integrity is

2498
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,400
everything when it comes to journalism

2499
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,639
for better or worse luckily you know

2500
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,840
most of us

2501
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,440
we have the characteristic where we're

2502
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,840
honest above everything

2503
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:23,920
and that's what gets us into trouble

2504
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,480
then jason decided we decided we got to

2505
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,400
do the billy meyer story who's going to

2506
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,280
write it and jason was the guy that drew

2507
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,800
the short straw

2508
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,360
he did more thorough investigation into

2509
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,000
wendell's material and we just found

2510
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:41,040
more and more bad stuff so

2511
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:45,119
we found that billy meyer and crew were

2512
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:47,119
confronted about the pictures and how

2513
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,520
the pictures had all of these problems

2514
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,000
we found out that billy meyer had said

2515
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:54,800
oh well guess what i found out the

2516
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:57,679
aliens only just told me that the

2517
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:00,400
pictures were actually stolen many years

2518
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,520
ago by the government and replaced with

2519
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:05,840
fake ones and the aliens didn't tell me

2520
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,920
now until like eight or nine years later

2521
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,159
those silly aliens oh yeah those silly

2522
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,639
aliens are so stupid and i've i brought

2523
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,199
all this up with michael horn because he

2524
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:17,280
can't deny it and he admits it but then

2525
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:18,960
he quickly forgets it when he already

2526
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,520
makes his later argument so you know my

2527
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,440
favorite one is alejandro was the

2528
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,639
alleged picture of samyasi and uh and

2529
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,480
one of the other female aliens and

2530
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,440
somebody happened to find where they got

2531
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,760
that image and blurred it out and fuzzed

2532
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,440
it out a little bit and it was two of

2533
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:37,040
the girls that were featured on the dean

2534
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,440
martin show back in the 60s yeah there

2535
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:41,440
is a really good website uh they

2536
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:44,560
contacted us not about a year ago and i

2537
01:38:48,510 --> 01:38:46,239
can't remember i wish i could remember

2538
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,520
the name of the site it's like

2539
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:50,239
billymeyerresearch.com or something like

2540
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,960
that

2541
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,960
this was a group i talked to them and i

2542
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,560
can't remember what country i think it's

2543
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,400
an eastern european country these guys

2544
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,360
live in and they decided to research the

2545
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,040
case they were on the fence and they

2546
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:03,600
were kind of believers actually so they

2547
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:06,639
wanted to go case by case picture by

2548
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:09,119
picture to see what they could find out

2549
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:11,360
to see if they could prove whether or

2550
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,239
not billy meyer was real and so far

2551
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,520
unfortunately just like it was

2552
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,199
unfortunate for us really of course we'd

2553
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:20,960
love to be able to prove billy myers

2554
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:23,360
talking to aliens but it didn't turn out

2555
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:26,320
to be the case they have not found one

2556
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,159
photo they haven't been able to debunk

2557
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,880
and michael horn really likes to say you

2558
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:32,880
know billy myers prediction predicting

2559
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,199
the future they have not found one

2560
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:38,480
prediction that didn't come out after it

2561
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,440
happened

2562
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,159
so yeah they haven't found one case

2563
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:45,280
where the the predictions were made or

2564
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,400
shared after the uh prediction happened

2565
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,880
so essentially what happens is you know

2566
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:53,040
they'll say oh billy meyer and i've you

2567
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,719
know again i've talked to michael horn

2568
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,639
because i've told michael horn well all

2569
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:58,159
of these problems you have with what i'm

2570
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,760
saying we'll bring you on the show we'll

2571
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,000
talk about them i'll give you your spot

2572
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,159
and then we're done you know that's it

2573
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:05,760
we've done our thing

2574
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,239
we talked about that and and he argued

2575
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,920
that well no

2576
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:11,920
billy meyer made the predictions many

2577
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,400
years ago but because we didn't want the

2578
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:16,480
government to get to him or whatever we

2579
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:17,840
don't share

2580
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:21,600
their predictions till after they happen

2581
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,639
boy

2582
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:25,360
well then that's not evidence and he

2583
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:26,719
says well they're right there on my

2584
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,800
website you can go look and i i'm like i

2585
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:30,239
know you could see them on the website

2586
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,159
but they're not posted until after they

2587
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:34,080
happen but he said those books were

2588
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,920
written before and i tell them well

2589
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,760
prove it and he says well look at the

2590
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,600
books and you don't see the books they

2591
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,040
don't show you the books they just put

2592
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,679
the information on the website so i know

2593
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:45,679
michael horn will get really upset but

2594
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,560
he has never disproven any of this stuff

2595
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,960
he will not tell you about those

2596
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,040
pictures he will tout those pictures and

2597
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:55,920
argue that the pictures are real however

2598
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,560
every time i've confronted him and said

2599
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:00,639
didn't billy meyer say those pictures

2600
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,400
are not real that the government

2601
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:04,480
switched him out he will admit that

2602
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,360
billy meyer has said that even though

2603
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:09,520
he'll then go out and say that they are

2604
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,840
real so he's being dishonest but you

2605
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:13,360
know what there's plenty and plenty of

2606
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,000
times he's been dishonest his tactics

2607
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,800
are terrible not too long ago he sent us

2608
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,800
a bunch of us emails saying

2609
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,560
this scientist said these pictures are

2610
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,719
real if you don't prove otherwise i'm

2611
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,080
going to tell the world that all of you

2612
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,159
on this email list agree with billy

2613
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:30,000
meyer's case and believe that the

2614
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,679
pictures are real you know what let's

2615
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,360
give up billy meyer i think we've

2616
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:35,840
covered that we covered that a few years

2617
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:38,320
ago no we're mad gene we're gonna get

2618
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:39,360
this guy

2619
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,719
well i don't know i think it's just

2620
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,560
gonna go on forever you're right it's

2621
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:44,719
like anything else you can't keep a good

2622
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,400
ufo house down

2623
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,639
i mean there are people still who are

2624
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:50,159
telling us that george adamski's

2625
01:41:53,709 --> 01:41:51,760
contacts were real

2626
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:53,719
you know and that was exposed back in

2627
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:57,920
1957 jim mosley had a special adamski

2628
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,560
expose issue of saucer news

2629
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,840
back in what 1957. i used to have a copy

2630
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:05,600
here it must be worth money now but i

2631
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:06,560
don't

2632
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,400
and didn't matter we had one guest

2633
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,440
on the show years and years later he was

2634
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,840
still talking about adamski and i said

2635
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:18,400
well yeah to wrap this up though i gotta

2636
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,440
say one of my favorite scenes in a movie

2637
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:23,760
that i think really encompasses the

2638
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:26,400
contact e movement that is fun and like

2639
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,159
the movement's kind of appealing in a

2640
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,880
way it's nostalgic you know i i i like

2641
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,960
it i find it appealing even though i i

2642
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,080
don't necessarily believe

2643
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,920
extraterrestrials were involved but is

2644
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,320
the scene an easy rider when they're

2645
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,360
getting stoned and jack nicholson is

2646
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:43,679
like this high school guy and he's like

2647
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,639
oh yeah there's aliens out there and he

2648
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,040
sums up the whole contact e movement

2649
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:50,800
kind of and in this one scene it's a

2650
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,040
great scene around the fire yeah yeah

2651
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:55,520
well jack nicholson can sum up anything

2652
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:59,119
yeah because you can't handle the truth

2653
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,800
yeah you've got some questions i want to

2654
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:01,920
get to there's some good ones here

2655
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:04,639
alejandro uh this is one that i have had

2656
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,119
uh several people ask me about

2657
01:43:10,510 --> 01:43:09,360
and um it's a real well thought out uh

2658
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:10,520
question from

2659
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,159
bluto392

2660
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,480
who's uh one of our more recent uh

2661
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,800
signups at forum.theparacast.com or you

2662
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:19,040
too can ask questions of our guests in a

2663
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:21,760
question bank and uh his question is is

2664
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:24,800
there any indication that edward snowden

2665
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,280
has any information on extra or crypto

2666
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,600
terrestrials or any or on any

2667
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:31,600
significant conspiracy theory involving

2668
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:34,159
this subject no i mean people keep

2669
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,840
making all of these claims there were

2670
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:38,000
some really silly claims that have come

2671
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:42,480
out but uh no there's not uh any any

2672
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:46,880
indication of that um whatsoever so um

2673
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:49,520
there was it but there is something

2674
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:50,719
interesting

2675
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,040
the only snowden leaked document

2676
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:57,199
is

2677
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:58,239
from

2678
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:01,600
a group called the joint threat research

2679
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:03,280
intelligence group

2680
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:04,480
um

2681
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,520
i forget it essentially it's

2682
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,920
it comes from the ministry of defense

2683
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,560
essentially it was this document of an

2684
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,199
intelligent organization from uh

2685
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,280
the british government

2686
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,040
um they were called the government

2687
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,880
communications headquarters or something

2688
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:22,000
like that

2689
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:24,400
they they had this powerpoint that was

2690
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:26,960
released in the snowden documents and

2691
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:29,920
there's no context to it mostly slides

2692
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,639
don't have words uh the slide heading

2693
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:35,199
says it's the art of deception training

2694
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,400
for a new generation of online covert

2695
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:39,760
operations

2696
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:42,800
and it you can't tell what's going on

2697
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,520
but there are three or four slides

2698
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:47,440
regarding ufos

2699
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:51,520
there's a slide 35 that shows a ufo

2700
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:54,480
report or a ufo video from a famous

2701
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:58,480
sighting redbud illinois 1950

2702
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:01,760
then there's another picture of

2703
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,800
these this ufo video from mexico that

2704
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,360
has been debunked and this is a story

2705
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,440
with this ufo video from and this is an

2706
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,440
unfortunate oh my gosh it all comes back

2707
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,520
behind me let's cover that in our next

2708
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:16,239
segment guys with gene and chris and

2709
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:19,850
alejandro you're in the

2710
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,950
[Music]

2711
01:45:32,510 --> 01:45:30,400
beyond paracast

2712
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:32,520
largest independently owned

2713
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:36,000
communications network g c

2714
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n

2715
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:45,760
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

2716
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:47,840
thousands and i can help you too i wrote

2717
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,280
the book on irs settlement and i'm

2718
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:50,960
telling you there's no such thing as a

2719
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:54,639
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

2720
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,880
get free of irs debt with the irs's new

2721
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:58,400
programs there's never been a better

2722
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:01,280
time to solve your problem call 834 no

2723
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,119
tax that's 800 34 no tax on my website

2724
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:07,199
danpilla.com

2725
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,119
we the people grow cotton wheat fabric

2726
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:11,040
engraving embed strips and fibers to

2727
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,719
protect from counterfeit then carting to

2728
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,480
a private bank having it led back at

2729
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:16,560
interest forcing taxes to service debt

2730
01:46:19,990 --> 01:46:18,400
this capitalism or was jefferson correct

2731
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:20,000
when stating a central bank issuing the

2732
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:21,600
public currency is a greater menace to

2733
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:22,880
the liberties of the people than a

2734
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:24,560
standing army hi ted anderson i'm

2735
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:25,920
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2736
01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:27,840
that explains our monetary system call

2737
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,800
for your copy

2738
01:46:33,629 --> 01:46:31,920
800-686-2237 it's time to understand the

2739
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:33,639
system call

2740
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:41,590
are you 800-686-2237 from ep the

2741
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,600
symptoms include fraudulent charges to

2742
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,360
your credit card your subway card says

2743
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:47,040
it's empty but you bought it yesterday

2744
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,719
someone's been in your hotel room but

2745
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:50,800
the desk clerk says they only show you

2746
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,600
entering the room these are signs of ep

2747
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:56,000
electronic pickpocketing payment cards

2748
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:58,639
transit cards even hotel room keys use a

2749
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,400
radio chip so you can just wave your

2750
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,480
card at the register the turnstile or

2751
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,000
your hotel room door but what's

2752
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,000
convenient for you is also convenient

2753
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,000
for thieves waving scanners to

2754
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,920
electronically pickpocket you without

2755
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,000
even touching you the good news is

2756
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:15,119
there's a cure id stronghold has created

2757
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:16,800
leather wallets and clutches that have

2758
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:19,040
built-in ep protection layers of

2759
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:21,119
shielding material cleverly concealed in

2760
01:47:25,229 --> 01:47:22,960
a beautiful leather wallet that stops

2761
01:47:28,030 --> 01:47:25,239
the symptoms of ep go to

2762
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,040
idstronghold.com now and get the cure

2763
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:30,239
idstronghold.com warning id stronghold

2764
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,600
wallets could lead to feelings of safety

2765
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:33,119
and security comfort and crowds and

2766
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,560
euphoria if you experience these

2767
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:36,080
emotions immediately inform your friends

2768
01:47:40,340 --> 01:47:37,920
and family about id stronghold.com so

2769
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:40,350
they can feel better

2770
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:49,430
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2771
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:53,199
standard of paranormal radio

2772
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:54,400
and now

2773
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:03,270
alejandro rojas is

2774
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,480
discussing

2775
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:06,639
ufos with gene and chris

2776
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:09,280
and you said came back to jaime moussan

2777
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,400
again yes so this is a screenshot that's

2778
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:15,199
in this powerpoint of these pictures

2779
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:18,239
from a ufo video from mexico it doesn't

2780
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,920
have any text so you don't know where

2781
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:22,000
the heck it's in there but this was a

2782
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,520
sighting that happened in um about 2005.

2783
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,360
this was part of the mufon television

2784
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:29,920
show and i was actually the mufon pr guy

2785
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,080
when we we did this show it was on i

2786
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,080
think it was on history channel i can't

2787
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,080
remember what channel was on the only

2788
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:38,320
three episodes were done i think it was

2789
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,480
a great show james carrion was the

2790
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:42,560
director at the time and they did some

2791
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,560
real investigations so there was an

2792
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,199
episode on mexico and i was talking with

2793
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:49,840
james karen we were in the mix we asked

2794
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:53,040
jaime what are the best mexican cases uh

2795
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,800
because we have this tv show james

2796
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,800
carrion will go out to mexico he speaks

2797
01:49:03,430 --> 01:48:58,880
spanish and he'll investigate these

2798
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,440
cases jaime gave us the cases james was

2799
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,520
able to go out there not seeking to

2800
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,760
debunk them just the opposite but

2801
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,320
unfortunately all the cases fell apart

2802
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,760
when they went out there one of the

2803
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,199
things they did they went with reuben

2804
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,920
yuriarte reuben went and bought a bunch

2805
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,400
of mylar balloons and he launched the

2806
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:21,199
balloons discovery channel i think that

2807
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:23,199
now they think about it the idea was

2808
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:24,880
they were going to film these balloons

2809
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,639
just to show that balloons can look

2810
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:29,040
pretty strange they filmed the balloons

2811
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:31,040
but they were then jaime's guys showed

2812
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,440
up and arturo roberlez who gets a lot of

2813
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,760
jaime's ufo videos was there and he

2814
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,080
didn't know at first it was uh balloons

2815
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:40,639
and he's like look guys a ufo reuben

2816
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,360
told arturo those are balloons i

2817
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:45,679
launched those balloons so they filmed

2818
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,040
them end of story arturo turns around

2819
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:51,440
and posts them on youtube saying they're

2820
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:57,430
ufo morphing and changing shape oh i

2821
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,800
remember those

2822
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,719
i remember when it happened because

2823
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:02,960
reuben called me and he was freaked out

2824
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,440
he's like oh my god alejandro

2825
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:07,360
have you seen that video and i had seen

2826
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,639
it and i was like yeah that's a weird

2827
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,880
video this ufo seems to be warping and

2828
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,880
it's silver and reuben's like those are

2829
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:15,119
my balloons those are the balloons that

2830
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,119
i launched i don't know why arturo we

2831
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,119
told our turo those are balloons i don't

2832
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:21,520
know why he posted this to jaime's

2833
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,080
defense jaime says that he never did

2834
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:25,679
anything with the video because he he

2835
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,880
didn't know they were balloons but he

2836
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:28,239
thought they looked like balloons that's

2837
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,520
what jaime says

2838
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,760
so yeah that's one of the images in this

2839
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:33,840
slide there's another image of a slide

2840
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:36,480
from not too long ago it was a ufo video

2841
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,800
or a picture taken in cornwall england

2842
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:41,280
in 2011 you guys might remember this

2843
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:43,119
because it's actually a bird taking a

2844
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:46,480
dump and you can see like the little uh

2845
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:48,560
dump things and then the next slide i

2846
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,000
included in my story slide 38 just shows

2847
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,199
pictures of cameras and wheels and

2848
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:57,440
iphones i think this whole thing is

2849
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,239
about ufo hoaxes and maybe how ufo

2850
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,960
videos can become such a big deal online

2851
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,520
i don't know i actually asked nick pope

2852
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,840
about it here's what nick pope said

2853
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:09,520
while i left the ministry of defense in

2854
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,960
2006 the official secrets act binds me

2855
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,440
for life i am not able to comment on

2856
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,960
intelligent matters and i am not

2857
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,360
prepared to discuss classified material

2858
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:21,440
that has been released without proper

2859
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:24,639
authorization so he could not comment he

2860
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:26,800
may know more about why this is all just

2861
01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:28,880
to remind our listeners this is all the

2862
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:30,880
the only revelation that we know of that

2863
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:33,520
edward snowden exactly released

2864
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:35,040
pertaining to the ufo subject to our

2865
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,920
knowledge

2866
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,840
exactly that's it i don't think that

2867
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:40,400
we're gonna have any more but wikileaks

2868
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:43,520
seems to continue to get documents so i

2869
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,760
suppose it's a possibility yeah okay

2870
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,599
let's move on that's a good answer on

2871
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:49,040
that i've kind of been wondering that

2872
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:51,040
myself i'm wondering if maybe there is

2873
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,320
something that he's holding back but

2874
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:54,159
we'll have to wait and see these next

2875
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:56,560
questions come from an active poster

2876
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:58,880
techno mage who posted that on a

2877
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,679
question bank at forum.theparacast.com

2878
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,599
pretty straight ahead uh a question

2879
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,760
alejandro in your estimation what's the

2880
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:08,000
best case that we have in the last five

2881
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,360
or ten years that we should be paying

2882
01:52:16,070 --> 01:52:12,080
attention to oh man the best case in the

2883
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:16,080
last five or ten years

2884
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,080
that's a tough one i don't know i think

2885
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,480
that the cases in the last five or ten

2886
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,639
years i believe i don't think we've

2887
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:25,440
really had any great abduction cases in

2888
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,440
the last five or ten years and the

2889
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,239
reason i say that now i am skeptical

2890
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,239
when it comes to and i'm careful with

2891
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:34,159
the research but i think there are some

2892
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:36,400
abduction cases like the travis walton

2893
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:38,960
case like the allagash case where we had

2894
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:41,840
these guys at our ufo congress last year

2895
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:44,159
i think this is an amazing case people

2896
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:45,760
need to look into

2897
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:47,440
if they don't know about it because i

2898
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:50,239
think it's incredible but as far as that

2899
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:52,000
area goes i don't know that there's been

2900
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,080
much and really there are some

2901
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,480
interesting ufo videos at the end of

2902
01:53:02,390 --> 01:52:58,800
last year i put together a story called

2903
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:02,400
the best ufo videos for 2014. i think a

2904
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:04,639
lot of those are really interesting a

2905
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:07,199
lot of these really good videos are

2906
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:10,000
coming from night vision goggles that

2907
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,520
people are going out and getting some

2908
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:13,679
really interesting thing on things on

2909
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,639
night vision but the interesting cases

2910
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,440
lately have been things at a distance

2911
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,199
which is kind of difficult you know

2912
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,280
people getting pictures of things at a

2913
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,360
distance this puerto rico case if you

2914
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,000
haven't heard of this uh one this video

2915
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,000
captured in puerto rico there hasn't

2916
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,480
been a lot of information out about it

2917
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,719
but i do know there's been some great

2918
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,800
research done on that case and there'll

2919
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,360
be some good information coming out soon

2920
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,280
however a case that i always am

2921
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,960
scratching my head about that i think is

2922
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,199
really cool that's ongoing and i don't

2923
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:47,520
know if you guys have heard about this

2924
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,040
but the nuclear plants in france and

2925
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,480
belgium have been getting buzzed by ufos

2926
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,239
people and

2927
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,960
in fact there's even one director of one

2928
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:01,440
of these plants that has said

2929
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:04,560
it wasn't a drone that flew over our

2930
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:07,760
nuclear power plant it was a ufo so a

2931
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,040
lot of people are assuming they're

2932
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,199
drones people like greenpeace are really

2933
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,360
upset about this because they believe

2934
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,400
that people are able are flying drones

2935
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:18,880
over the nuclear power plants to show

2936
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,880
that there's a they're unsecured and

2937
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:23,280
they're unsafe but the governments are

2938
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:25,119
arguing that that they're not drones or

2939
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,119
some people arguing they're not drones

2940
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,679
that there's something else and there

2941
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,360
are some people there's in particular

2942
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,599
there's a german researcher

2943
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,239
andres mueller and we reference him in

2944
01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:38,320
our stories about this who's been

2945
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,480
keeping on this and he's got a number of

2946
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,960
witnesses that have taken some pictures

2947
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:44,639
and said you know these things aren't

2948
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:46,480
flying like drones they're luminous

2949
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,520
they're they're something more

2950
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,560
mysterious so this is an ongoing case

2951
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:52,400
that interesting hasn't made a lot of

2952
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,159
rumblings of this but i i hadn't heard

2953
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,400
as much detail yeah really really

2954
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:58,320
interesting case well you know and we

2955
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,239
also have of course stevensville uh

2956
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,320
which i think is a is a is a well

2957
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,080
documented important case especially

2958
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:07,199
since the object flew uh near or over

2959
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:09,679
secure airspace over the crawford ranch

2960
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:12,560
now of course the o'hare uh airport uh

2961
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,599
case you know i think this is an

2962
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:15,440
important one good point i was just

2963
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:16,639
gonna bring up o'hare now that you

2964
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:18,400
jogged my memory because you're right

2965
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,480
now that that is within 10 years but

2966
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,080
you're right o'hare

2967
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,280
is a great one because um you know

2968
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:27,280
people that work for united airlines

2969
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,840
witnessed it and there's the potential

2970
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,679
for pictures or videos out there we just

2971
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:33,520
have not gotten yet

2972
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:35,679
the pictures that are out there have

2973
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,080
been pretty thoroughly debunked as not

2974
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:40,239
being part of the sighting yeah there is

2975
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:41,920
a picture of the cloud the hole punched

2976
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:43,119
in the cloud that i've seen that's

2977
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:44,880
fairly impressive oh really i haven't

2978
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,119
seen that i'm not sure how how um you

2979
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:49,840
know it's it's uh it's hard to um you

2980
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,199
know there's nothing in the foreground

2981
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,199
to actually show that it was somehow

2982
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:55,760
related directly to that case the claim

2983
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:57,920
was made that it was but uh but again

2984
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,599
you're right for something to happen

2985
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:01,760
over such a you know the second largest

2986
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:03,040
city in the united states or third

2987
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,440
largest city and and and to not have uh

2988
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:07,360
some sort of cell camera of

2989
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:09,599
photograph which leads me to another

2990
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:12,800
question that uh uh angel of of

2991
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:15,840
angelo our new newest uh return

2992
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moderator and our friendly skeptic he's

2993
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:20,960
you know his constant mantras with all

2994
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,800
these cell phones and with all these new

2995
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,960
great cameras how come we don't have any

2996
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:26,639
good ufo pitchers

2997
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:28,239
and you know of course the stock answer

2998
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:29,840
that i'll give before i'll hand that

2999
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:32,320
over to you alejandro is uh you know

3000
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:33,199
i've

3001
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:34,960
you know not only have i had cameras

3002
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,760
malfunction batteries suddenly drain uh

3003
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,840
you know cameras uh that uh

3004
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:42,480
take pictures of uh of ghosts and shadow

3005
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:45,520
people in 3d i might add uh that

3006
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,159
wouldn't initialize the clip uh but

3007
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:50,400
oftentimes the event is so

3008
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,000
uh unexpected and inexplicable in in

3009
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,800
dazzling or mesmerizing that you're just

3010
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:59,040
you're too busy looking at it in in you

3011
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:01,199
know wonder you forget to grab your

3012
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:03,360
camera and take a picture of it now i'm

3013
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:04,800
talking about the average person out

3014
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:07,440
there i mean i i could easily see this

3015
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as being

3016
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the primary reason why we don't have ufo

3017
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:12,400
photographs now when it comes to

3018
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:13,840
investigators out in the field who

3019
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should know better uh there's no excuse

3020
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for not being able to capture uh

3021
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visually or with other instrumentation

3022
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these these uh events if a seasoned

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field investigator is out there no

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we're going to have a contest folks okay

3132
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there's an alien behind that that's it

3133
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:07,199
there's an alien behind the door right

3134
02:02:12,149 --> 02:02:10,080
now okay door number one we're gonna

3135
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have a contest here where listeners will

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do our the power cast stinger the best

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02:02:18,790 --> 02:02:16,880
ones will be aired and we'll figure out

3138
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something to give away i'm tired of

3139
02:02:22,950 --> 02:02:20,880
doing it okay there's a few problems

3140
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:22,960
though too most people the cameras that

3141
02:02:26,149 --> 02:02:24,320
they have are their cell phones you

3142
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:26,159
can't really zoom very well so if it's a

3143
02:02:29,189 --> 02:02:27,679
daylight sighting it's going to be

3144
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:29,199
extremely difficult

3145
02:02:33,990 --> 02:02:31,280
and i always tell people go try to take

3146
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:34,000
a picture of a of a plane uh you know at

3147
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:35,440
twenty thousand feet with your cell

3148
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:37,840
phone during the day good luck

3149
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:39,599
night photos are even worse cameras

3150
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:41,280
aren't really set up to take very i mean

3151
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:43,040
it's difficult to get night photos go

3152
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:44,800
try to take a picture of a close jet

3153
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:47,280
with your phone or with a good camera at

3154
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:49,360
night nothing's gonna really turn out so

3155
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:51,760
it's it's really difficult not only that

3156
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:53,599
um you know and it does relate to a case

3157
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:54,880
that's happening recently which is a

3158
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,119
good case a lot of people are seeing

3159
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:59,280
these small little white orbs you know

3160
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:00,719
people say they're balloons they could

3161
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:02,480
be google balloons but a lot of people

3162
02:03:05,030 --> 02:03:03,840
argue that they're moving in ways that

3163
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:05,040
they shouldn't

3164
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:06,400
they're zip zagging around they're

3165
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:08,560
making weird and we just wrote a story

3166
02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,080
about this yesterday because we someone

3167
02:03:14,629 --> 02:03:12,480
else sent us some video of it and uh you

3168
02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:14,639
know it's reminiscent of

3169
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:16,800
colorado colorado people were seeing a

3170
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:18,719
lot of these right last summer including

3171
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:20,880
some good footage

3172
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:25,040
news reporter who said you know that

3173
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,639
thing sat there for a long period of

3174
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:28,560
time before zipping off that was no

3175
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:30,560
balloons so a lot of people are seeing

3176
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:32,320
this sort of thing but that's you have

3177
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:33,840
to have a really good camera to be able

3178
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:35,840
to record something like that and i

3179
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:38,000
always tell people uh it all comes down

3180
02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:40,239
to this third party if there's a third

3181
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:41,760
party out there if these things are

3182
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,440
intelligently controlled by

3183
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,840
extraterrestrials or otherwise some sort

3184
02:03:49,189 --> 02:03:47,840
of intelligence they're probably more

3185
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:49,199
intelligent than us they're not they're

3186
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:50,960
gonna let us see what they want us to

3187
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:53,440
see if they wanted us to see them up

3188
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,520
close and personal they're in charge

3189
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:57,520
they could do that but they haven't so

3190
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:59,920
far um assuming there's a third party

3191
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:02,320
involved well that's not uh to mention

3192
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:04,480
that the uh our tax dollars that work

3193
02:04:09,350 --> 02:04:06,560
and play might be responsible for at

3194
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:09,360
least a uh you know a percentage of

3195
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:12,480
these of these uh events right

3196
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:13,840
and they don't want to be seen and

3197
02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:15,440
what's interesting is there are even

3198
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,560
scientists who are i've talked to who

3199
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:20,719
aren't completely anti-ufo they just

3200
02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:22,560
don't share it and a lot of them make

3201
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,800
the same argument that if they don't

3202
02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:26,480
want to be seen they're still more

3203
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:27,920
advanced than us if they don't want to

3204
02:04:30,390 --> 02:04:29,440
be seen but they are going to be flying

3205
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:30,400
around

3206
02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:32,560
then they don't they won't be seen

3207
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:35,040
they've got the technology to do that

3208
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:38,159
yeah good point if there is a psychic uh

3209
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:39,920
sort of i think

3210
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:42,639
some sort of consciousness uh

3211
02:04:47,109 --> 02:04:45,520
element here there's so many cases where

3212
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:47,119
it could be coincidence in some cases

3213
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:49,520
but in some cases i think people

3214
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:52,560
uh somehow have had some sort of

3215
02:04:56,709 --> 02:04:53,599
mental

3216
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:56,719
or telepathic connection on some level

3217
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:57,679
with

3218
02:05:02,390 --> 02:05:00,560
the observation uh or the the thing

3219
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:02,400
that's being observed the observer

3220
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,960
somehow has has been tapped into and

3221
02:05:10,070 --> 02:05:07,360
there's we can't obviously ascertain

3222
02:05:12,070 --> 02:05:10,080
this uh empirically but but there are

3223
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:12,080
indications that this may be an element

3224
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:13,840
in some sighting events so you know we

3225
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,679
can't we can't throw the baby out with

3226
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:18,400
the bathwater uh angelo about all that

3227
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:19,199
and

3228
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,840
um i want to go quickly on we do have

3229
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:23,679
some questions here and techno mage has

3230
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,000
a question which he puts out there for

3231
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:27,920
any of us but um

3232
02:05:32,149 --> 02:05:30,560
and i do um i'll say right now i do have

3233
02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:32,159
some information on this particular

3234
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,199
question

3235
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:35,280
he says in operation trojan horse john

3236
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:37,840
keel brings up a lot of statistics uh

3237
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:40,560
including the majority of ufo events

3238
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,880
occur on wednesday or sunday sunday is

3239
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,639
wrong i think that's

3240
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:47,040
the biggest day i think on the weekend

3241
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:49,040
has anyone verified his data because if

3242
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:50,560
the data he describes in the book is

3243
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,800
valid his conclusions can be taken that

3244
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,560
much more seriously well

3245
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:56,800
before you answer alejandro

3246
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:57,840
let me

3247
02:06:04,070 --> 02:06:00,880
put in my two cents in my database

3248
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:04,080
wednesday without question was the most

3249
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:05,199
uh

3250
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,760
the night that you had the best chance

3251
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:09,599
of having some sort of siding event in

3252
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:12,960
the san luis valley from 1993 through at

3253
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:17,119
least 2003 uh that bears out in my data

3254
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:20,080
um sunday would be i think third or

3255
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:23,280
fourth uh in the sov the san luis valley

3256
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,960
how about you uh have you ever looked

3257
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:27,199
into statistical analysis of ufo

3258
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:30,400
sightings uh frequency uh you know time

3259
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:33,040
of day day of the week uh

3260
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:34,560
spring summer fall

3261
02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:36,560
what sort of work have uh has open minds

3262
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,079
done in this regard

3263
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,800
i've had access to mufon data over the

3264
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:42,800
years and when i was doing pr work

3265
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:45,920
before move on i started on a

3266
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,960
yearly basis putting out a report on

3267
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,119
where sightings were seen and when and i

3268
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,000
still do that although i have access to

3269
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:56,719
less data and it has to do with the

3270
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,800
database that they use

3271
02:07:02,069 --> 02:07:00,400
i know they're working on it to make it

3272
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:02,079
more accessible where people can grab

3273
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:04,800
this sort of information out more

3274
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,840
but out of the data that i have i don't

3275
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:09,840
know that i've ever looked at or at

3276
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:11,599
least if i did i didn't find it

3277
02:07:16,229 --> 02:07:14,000
interesting enough to write about it

3278
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:16,239
on which day of the week had more

3279
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:18,880
sightings but i know i have some data to

3280
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,119
do that so i'll go back and do that

3281
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,320
that's a really interesting question and

3282
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:26,400
we have a lot more data and now so we

3283
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:28,320
should be able to to verify that and

3284
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:29,679
it's interesting that the saint louis

3285
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:31,840
valley that that held true

3286
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:33,360
much to my surprise

3287
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:39,430
there was a

3288
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:43,199
started investigating and when i finally

3289
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:45,520
was able to get a copy of operation

3290
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:47,440
trojan horse which at the time was

3291
02:07:51,830 --> 02:07:50,239
fairly difficult to find and uh i

3292
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:51,840
remember reading it and thinking oh man

3293
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:53,360
i should go and look at my data and sure

3294
02:07:56,470 --> 02:07:54,480
enough

3295
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:56,480
i i really hadn't done that sort of data

3296
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:58,560
crunch and i went through and and just

3297
02:08:01,990 --> 02:08:00,320
laboriously started counting you know

3298
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:02,000
doing chip marks on days of the week and

3299
02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:04,400
wednesday did come come out uh fairly

3300
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:07,040
significantly in the lead um over all

3301
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:08,960
other six days of the week so

3302
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,400
for what it's worth

3303
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:12,719
um here's a question from sublight who's

3304
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:15,119
been a member since uh a couple days

3305
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:16,560
before halloween

3306
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:19,119
2014 uh

3307
02:08:24,790 --> 02:08:22,560
he's uh very interested in coming up

3308
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:24,800
with some sort of

3309
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:27,440
unified field theory or set of theories

3310
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:29,119
to explain the phenomenon so he's

3311
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,400
wondering if you see any benefit

3312
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:34,719
from the ufo community

3313
02:08:38,629 --> 02:08:36,800
somehow coming together which that's

3314
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,639
kind of a joke right there but in

3315
02:08:42,470 --> 02:08:40,400
developing a more streamlined unified

3316
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:42,480
theory or set of theories to explain the

3317
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,280
phenomenon um

3318
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:46,960
you know i think we've already got one

3319
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,960
that's being force-fed us that aliens

3320
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,280
are coming from uh elsewhere in our

3321
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:53,840
universe or galaxy in other star systems

3322
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:54,560
and

3323
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:58,960
picking up rocks like they've never seen

3324
02:09:02,709 --> 02:09:01,520
them before smelling flowers um

3325
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,719
so i think that you know why they're

3326
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:04,560
picking up rocks so they can drop them

3327
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:07,440
and get their rocks off there you go

3328
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:12,950
where's my rim shot

3329
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,800
yeah

3330
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,560
and he says the reason why he asked this

3331
02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:18,239
is is there seems to be several types of

3332
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:20,639
events that don't seem related

3333
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,400
and yet they are jumbled into one thing

3334
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:25,040
ufos i've never understood how a flying

3335
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:27,119
disc in the late 40s or early 50s has

3336
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:28,719
anything to do with the weird events in

3337
02:09:32,310 --> 02:09:30,960
places like skinwalker ranch

3338
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,320
or the kinds of things that took place

3339
02:09:35,589 --> 02:09:34,079
in the renaissance forest which i

3340
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:35,599
disagree with that that definitely was a

3341
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:38,000
ufo event um but what do you think do

3342
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,679
you think that there's uh

3343
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:41,599
a unified set of theories that we can

3344
02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:43,520
come up with to explain the phenomenon

3345
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:46,079
is if we already haven't uh

3346
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:48,079
so let's break it here then we can do

3347
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:50,880
that in our next segment okay fine gotta

3348
02:09:54,629 --> 02:09:52,960
do a break here and this is a good time

3349
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:54,639
to do a cliffhanger

3350
02:09:58,229 --> 02:09:56,960
just like the old movie serials where

3351
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,239
you

3352
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:00,320
drop hints of what's to come of course

3353
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:03,040
chris asks a question of our guest

3354
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,880
and then the guest will answer it in the

3355
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:07,119
next segment with alejandro rojas of

3356
02:10:12,109 --> 02:10:09,520
open minds joining us answering your

3357
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:12,119
questions from

3358
02:10:16,709 --> 02:10:14,239
forum.thepowercast.com our question bank

3359
02:10:17,580 --> 02:10:16,719
with gene and chris you're in the

3360
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:17,590
paragraph

3361
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:30,750
a little right a little left but always

3362
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:32,960
independent-minded the genesis

3363
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communications network gcn

3364
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:39,119
graphic converter is the image

3365
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:41,440
manipulation tool for the rest of us it

3366
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:44,320
does not use any database you get full

3367
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:46,480
control of all your files want to view

3368
02:10:51,830 --> 02:10:49,040
the images of a folder drag it into

3369
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:51,840
graphic inverter and a powerful browser

3370
02:10:56,229 --> 02:10:54,159
opens up to show your image files you

3371
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:56,239
could use it for slideshows you could

3372
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:58,560
use it to import images from digital

3373
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,040
cameras or from scanners need to do some

3374
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:03,040
image editing you can do that too in

3375
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:05,599
graphic inverter also print catalogs

3376
02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:08,159
convert from so many formats i can't

3377
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even list them download now to see if

3378
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:12,880
graphic inverter is good for you like

3379
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one and a half million other users guess

3380
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3381
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to get a special price for graphic

3384
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3385
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3386
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3387
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:40,560
hi this is ted anderson have you ever

3388
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:42,079
wondered why banks stock brokers

3389
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:43,679
investment advisors won't talk about

3390
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:45,679
gold iras they've been available since

3391
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:48,000
1986 yet the financial industry won't

3392
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:49,760
recognize the value of gold for your

3393
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:51,760
retirement gold is outperformed paper

3394
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:54,000
investments yet no word about iras if

3395
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you would like to have gold for your

3396
02:11:59,830 --> 02:11:57,560
retirement call

3397
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800-686-2237 don't get left behind by

3398
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rising inflation and low returns call

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3400
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you'll find a free archive of our

3401
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3402
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3403
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generations gcn is the future of talk

3404
02:12:34,069 --> 02:12:31,599
radio but we should always strive to

3405
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:34,079
learn from our past together we are

3406
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did you know that drinking pure high

3407
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alkaline water is one of the most

3408
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important factors in maintaining high

3409
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energy and vibrant health most experts

3410
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agree that the water you drink should be

3411
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3423
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:15,679
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3431
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:40,320
easy to be a criminal all you need to

3432
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:42,320
burglarize a home is one simple

3433
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:44,800
household tool a pair of scissors if

3434
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,239
your home security system can be

3435
02:13:50,470 --> 02:13:48,480
compromised by a criminal using scissors

3436
02:13:52,709 --> 02:13:50,480
then you're making it easy for them

3437
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,719
almost every home security system even

3438
02:13:57,030 --> 02:13:54,719
those sold by big name companies has a

3439
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:57,040
weakness the phone line you shell out

3440
02:14:02,229 --> 02:13:59,599
1500 bucks get locked into a long-term

3441
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:02,239
contract and think you're safe but a

3442
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:04,159
burglar can destroy your alarm in

3443
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,320
seconds with one snip and when a burglar

3444
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:08,880
cuts your phone line you're defenseless

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3458
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:43,270
hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

3459
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,159
in to the paracast let me tell you what

3460
02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:48,560
you're going to hear stuff here that you

3461
02:14:54,390 --> 02:14:51,920
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

3462
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,400
that george snorri

3463
02:14:58,709 --> 02:14:56,079
on the power cast with gene and chris

3464
02:15:00,950 --> 02:14:58,719
alejandra rojas is being asked a

3465
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:00,960
question from our audience at

3466
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:03,599
forum.thepowercast.com

3467
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:04,960
what's your answer

3468
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:07,199
i think we've got a lot of static i mean

3469
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:09,199
because ufologists you don't get a

3470
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:10,880
degree or something like that anybody

3471
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:13,040
can call themselves a ufologist but even

3472
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:14,880
when it comes to science you know you

3473
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:17,199
have a broad range of ideas like when it

3474
02:15:22,149 --> 02:15:20,320
comes to the unified field theory or um

3475
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:22,159
the theory of everything pretty much

3476
02:15:25,990 --> 02:15:24,239
every theoretical physicist is trying to

3477
02:15:27,510 --> 02:15:26,000
come up with that idea and they're all

3478
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:27,520
doing it differently and they all have a

3479
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:29,840
different story in fact uh i don't know

3480
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:32,239
if you've ever had dr claude swanson on

3481
02:15:36,470 --> 02:15:33,760
he's a really interesting guy he's got

3482
02:15:38,069 --> 02:15:36,480
his degrees from mit and princeton uh

3483
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:38,079
we'll probably have him at the ufo

3484
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,679
congress next year where he'll talk

3485
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:42,000
about his ideas this way and how he

3486
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:43,599
thinks propulsion and some of these

3487
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:46,800
other things can relate into a unified

3488
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,560
theory of everything

3489
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:50,239
of course stephen hawking's movie was

3490
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:51,679
called that because he was looking into

3491
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,040
it but when it comes to the ufo et field

3492
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:57,199
uh it's difficult from from a lot of

3493
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,960
static and here's one of the problems

3494
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:00,560
that i see that i was going to mention

3495
02:16:06,069 --> 02:16:02,480
with the contact ething which relates

3496
02:16:07,910 --> 02:16:06,079
here is that all the contactees a lot of

3497
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,920
them you know greer or others they all

3498
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:09,679
believe that they're talking to aliens

3499
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:11,040
and that they have all the answers

3500
02:16:15,189 --> 02:16:12,880
because the aliens have told them but

3501
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:15,199
they're all saying something differently

3502
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:17,040
and this is what i ask people when they

3503
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:18,400
subscribe to

3504
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:20,639
a lot of different contact eases how can

3505
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:22,239
you believe they're all telling the

3506
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,159
truth if they're all saying something

3507
02:16:28,629 --> 02:16:26,639
differently that doesn't make any sense

3508
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,639
one can't be right they can't all be

3509
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,639
right because they're not all saying

3510
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:32,800
that the same thing's happening and i

3511
02:16:36,309 --> 02:16:34,080
think that's one of the difficulties

3512
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:36,319
that people don't look into or doesn't

3513
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,880
register so when it comes to a unified

3514
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:39,920
idea

3515
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:41,679
how do you come to that especially when

3516
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:43,040
you have all these people who allegedly

3517
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,880
are talking to the aliens and have these

3518
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,280
different stories do you just discount

3519
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:49,439
everything that they have to say

3520
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:51,840
unfortunately for me i you have to if

3521
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,160
you're looking uh really carefully and

3522
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:56,080
just trying to build stuff that is based

3523
02:17:01,990 --> 02:16:59,120
off of of evidence maybe if you had like

3524
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:02,000
if we had maybe dozens of people or all

3525
02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,160
of these contactees were saying the same

3526
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:06,639
thing that would be extraordinary and

3527
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,960
that would show wow maybe we are being

3528
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,719
communicated with and we do have an

3529
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,280
answer but we just don't have that and

3530
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,000
really when the field is full of laymen

3531
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:18,319
and novices which we all are you know

3532
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:20,319
i'm not a scientist you guys aren't

3533
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:22,479
scientists by far

3534
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,240
just kidding so

3535
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,399
i think that's difficult if if near

3536
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:28,319
impossible it's just individuals doing

3537
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:30,719
their own work and then some

3538
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:31,920
even if when you have large

3539
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:34,240
organizations like move on you you have

3540
02:17:39,509 --> 02:17:36,319
just as many varying opinions within

3541
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,519
mufon as you do out in any group of of

3542
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:41,120
ufo researchers

3543
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:43,040
yeah yeah that's a good point and we are

3544
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:44,880
all amateurs and that's one of the uh

3545
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:47,599
the major stumbling blocks in this field

3546
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:49,519
of inquiry being taken seriously by

3547
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:51,599
mainstream science and academia i mean

3548
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,080
it's it's a built-in giggle factor

3549
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,160
that we have no answer to until we come

3550
02:18:00,309 --> 02:17:58,479
up with some sort of um

3551
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:00,319
i don't know credentialing some sort of

3552
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:04,240
uh peer review um which seems like a

3553
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:05,280
you know

3554
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,399
kind of a

3555
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:08,800
an impossibility but i mean ideally uh

3556
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:11,120
that would be the way to go um

3557
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:12,559
and anything short of that is always

3558
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:15,040
going to supply um

3559
02:18:20,790 --> 02:18:17,679
this nudie academic and scientific types

3560
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,800
uh with uh you know a perfect uh

3561
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:22,639
rationale for not taking

3562
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,160
anything that comes out of this field

3563
02:18:28,709 --> 02:18:26,559
seriously yeah unless it's peer-reviewed

3564
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:28,719
i think there's a hard data monitoring

3565
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:31,040
like the ray stanford approach project

3566
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,040
starlight which i'm trying to duplicate

3567
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:35,200
with modern technology um

3568
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:37,760
uh we're using um you know instrumented

3569
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,800
arrays in hotspot areas to to gain

3570
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:42,319
triangulated data along with

3571
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:45,200
gravitational and and radar and and and

3572
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,800
possibly magnetic data that sort of

3573
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:47,679
thing

3574
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:50,800
blaze gratings on cameras to separate

3575
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:52,479
light spectra into its constituent

3576
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,080
elements that sort of thing i'm not a

3577
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:55,519
scientist but i do

3578
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,080
have a basic understanding of how

3579
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,160
proper investigation and research should

3580
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:02,880
be conducted so that you do have quality

3581
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:05,120
evidence to present to interested

3582
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:08,000
parties well and i think we can

3583
02:19:11,830 --> 02:19:09,840
determine

3584
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:11,840
very little but some things and i think

3585
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:14,800
you guys would agree with this knowing

3586
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,760
you know your work and thoughts um

3587
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:19,599
that one thing we can be certain is if

3588
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:21,840
there's a third party that is involved

3589
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:23,840
with with all of this that

3590
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:26,479
they don't want us to have evidence or

3591
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:28,719
proof that that is the case

3592
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,679
um it hasn't been provided so if it is

3593
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:34,479
an intelligence behind all of this they

3594
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:36,800
don't want us to have the proof well is

3595
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:38,880
that a reason then why we do hear so

3596
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,200
many contradictory tales

3597
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:43,439
i think it is i mean i know you know

3598
02:19:47,429 --> 02:19:45,280
chris is really into this and and i

3599
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:47,439
agree too and i think a lot of the old

3600
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:51,040
time researchers jack ballet um you know

3601
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:52,720
um

3602
02:19:57,590 --> 02:19:55,280
i i had some other knives of course keel

3603
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:57,600
but a lot of the other old-time guys

3604
02:20:02,710 --> 02:20:00,319
that you talked to there is an enigmatic

3605
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:02,720
nature to all of this almost like for

3606
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,600
enigmatic sake that's why i really love

3607
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:08,000
the trickster idea of course chris is

3608
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,160
really into the trickster idea is that

3609
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:12,880
it seems that and skywalker is is a

3610
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:14,840
definition of trickster

3611
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:17,840
everybody um george knapp the scientists

3612
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:19,680
involved with the skinwalker ranch

3613
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,000
subscribe to this idea that it just

3614
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:24,479
seems crazy for crazy sakes it's beyond

3615
02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:26,560
our comprehension they believe there's a

3616
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:29,920
third party screwing with us and that um

3617
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:33,520
we weren't meant to have any solid data

3618
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:35,280
yeah my favorite of course is the camera

3619
02:20:39,910 --> 02:20:37,120
filming the camera and the one that's

3620
02:20:41,510 --> 02:20:39,920
being filmed has all the cables ripped

3621
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:41,520
out and there's no indication in the

3622
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:43,280
camera image that it happened or how it

3623
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:45,600
happened uh that to me is a mind blower

3624
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:47,760
and if that's a real event which has not

3625
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:49,520
been proven yet we've never seen the

3626
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:52,319
footage uh then then it's just it's just

3627
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,160
a mind blower and i'm sure that those

3628
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:56,000
scientists on that ranch when that

3629
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,960
happened

3630
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:58,880
their minds were blown by that because

3631
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:00,640
it totally yeah

3632
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:02,720
i'm sure it rocked their reality view uh

3633
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,720
because that is not supposed to happen

3634
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:06,640
you can't film another camera with a

3635
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:08,880
camera and have all the the wires pulled

3636
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:09,680
out

3637
02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:12,399
and not see that on the image it's it's

3638
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:14,560
inexplicable and uh

3639
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,640
i think it's a it's a classic example of

3640
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:19,040
the the tricksterish nature and the

3641
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:21,040
conundrum that we all face when we're

3642
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:22,160
out in the field

3643
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,240
yeah one of our most popular youtube

3644
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:26,800
interviews is uh an interview with john

3645
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:30,560
alexander um who discussed this the

3646
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:32,560
skinwalker in those cases and you know

3647
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:34,560
how confounded how just baffled they

3648
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:36,800
were with everything that happened

3649
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:39,200
right we had ryan skinner on last week

3650
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,640
you know talking about

3651
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:42,640
uh his work up in the skin walker ranch

3652
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:46,160
uh some of which uh is anecdotal and um

3653
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:47,040
you know

3654
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:48,800
open to interpretation i think by some

3655
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:51,200
uh more skeptical types but but ryan is

3656
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,720
at least making the effort he makes

3657
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,319
trips all the way out from wisconsin two

3658
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:56,000
or three times a year and spends a lot

3659
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:57,920
of money to try to try to get these

3660
02:22:01,349 --> 02:21:59,520
things documented but

3661
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:01,359
moving right along we have a question

3662
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:03,680
from cosmonaut and this is a good one um

3663
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,760
i'll answer it real quickly first before

3664
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:08,000
uh we'll throw it to alejandro here but

3665
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,479
um a major omission from ufo research

3666
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:12,399
seems to be that all of the information

3667
02:22:16,630 --> 02:22:14,000
comes from countries that are allies of

3668
02:22:19,429 --> 02:22:16,640
the united states why haven't we

3669
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:19,439
seen a major developed a major contact

3670
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:22,000
inside russia for example what we have

3671
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,479
uh his name is paul stonehill

3672
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:26,560
he's russian and he has tons of contacts

3673
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:28,880
in russia and he's done an incredible

3674
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:31,680
amount of work and well

3675
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,680
very good work i might say well received

3676
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:35,200
in my my eyes

3677
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:38,160
of developing sources uh and maintaining

3678
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,560
contact with sources within russia um

3679
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:42,720
george knapp made a trip to russia and

3680
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:44,479
developed contacts which he's maintained

3681
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:45,920
loosely over the years

3682
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:48,399
so we do have some uh contacts there

3683
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:50,720
jacques valet has been to russia

3684
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:52,720
we do have eugenie phytic a friend of

3685
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:54,000
mine with the russian academy of

3686
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:55,760
sciences who feeds me information from

3687
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:59,040
time to time so we do have some um how

3688
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:02,240
about you alejandro russia china

3689
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:03,920
countries that you don't normally hear

3690
02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:06,080
too much about in the ufo phenomenon

3691
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:08,319
what uh what are your thinking sir i

3692
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,920
think you're exactly right when it comes

3693
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:11,600
comes to paul stonehill we try to work

3694
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:13,520
with him too he wrote for our magazine

3695
02:23:17,830 --> 02:23:15,040
and he's written some stories for us

3696
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,840
online he's uh the greatest research for

3697
02:23:22,150 --> 02:23:19,280
information out of

3698
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,160
russia but we do a lot of international

3699
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:24,160
outreach we have several

3700
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:25,760
a lot of interviews and close

3701
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,240
relationships um largely because of

3702
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:30,080
antonio junez but not just because of

3703
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:31,680
him because we've established these

3704
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:34,160
relationships but with south american

3705
02:23:39,030 --> 02:23:36,319
countries i mean there are several south

3706
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:39,040
american countries that have official

3707
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:40,399
ufo

3708
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:43,040
governmental research organizations

3709
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:45,040
which is extraordinary there's several

3710
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:48,319
down there and they are active we wrote

3711
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:50,160
a big story and this is based off of

3712
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:52,960
leslie kane that she works with cepha

3713
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:55,439
out of chile and they gave her some ufo

3714
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,960
videos

3715
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:58,000
that

3716
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:02,399
huffington post she was able to release

3717
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:05,200
this information um otherwise china is

3718
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:07,040
one of the most interesting things we'll

3719
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:09,200
talk about china in our next segment

3720
02:24:15,830 --> 02:24:12,319
with antonio rojas and jeanne and chris

3721
02:24:19,090 --> 02:24:15,840
you're in my name is alejandro on the

3722
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,469
[Music]

3723
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:30,479
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3724
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:33,040
compelling talk for every political

3725
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:37,200
persuasion we are g c n

3726
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,280
attack of the rockoids has been well

3727
02:24:43,190 --> 02:24:41,600
received by critics and readers alike

3728
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:43,200
it's a thrill-a-minute story you'll

3729
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:44,640
never forget

3730
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,560
a former u.s military intelligence

3731
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:49,040
officer is haunted by intense dreams

3732
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:51,600
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

3733
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:53,920
help after a terrible battle in outer

3734
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:55,040
space

3735
02:24:59,110 --> 02:24:57,200
but the dreams turn out to be true and

3736
02:25:01,830 --> 02:24:59,120
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

3737
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:01,840
with a woman whose far away planet is

3738
02:25:06,790 --> 02:25:04,319
intent on destroying the earth

3739
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:06,800
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3740
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:09,280
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3741
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:11,840
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3742
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,000
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3743
02:25:18,550 --> 02:25:16,319
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3744
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:18,560
fanatical enemies that threaten the

3745
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:20,479
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3746
02:25:24,309 --> 02:25:21,600
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3747
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:24,319
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3748
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:27,280
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3749
02:25:32,950 --> 02:25:29,760
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3750
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:32,960
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3751
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:36,880
that's r o c k o i d s dot com

3752
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,200
it's very easy to be a criminal all you

3753
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:41,439
need to burglarize a home is one simple

3754
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:44,000
household tool a pair of scissors if

3755
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:45,439
your home security system can be

3756
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:47,680
compromised by a criminal using scissors

3757
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:49,600
then you're making it easy for them

3758
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:51,840
almost every home security system even

3759
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3835
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3836
02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:03,920
alejandro rojas of open minds joining us

3837
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:05,520
and you were mentioning

3838
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ufos in china i love the china story

3839
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:11,280
china has a great story we wrote about

3840
02:29:16,230 --> 02:29:13,600
in the magazine we've done a youtube

3841
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:16,240
video on it people need to watch it uh

3842
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,040
dr sunshi lee is pretty much the most

3843
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:21,680
prominent ufo researcher in china and

3844
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:24,000
they have a really interesting story

3845
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they talk about how during the years

3846
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that you know they were russia was

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helping them begin as a government as a

3848
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new you know socialist communist

3849
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government they didn't do a lot of ufo

3850
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research but when they became more

3851
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:37,600
independent there were academics that

3852
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:40,080
were researching ufos kind of behind the

3853
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:42,800
scenes and dr sunshi lee with his wife

3854
02:29:48,150 --> 02:29:45,520
came forward to the government and said

3855
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:48,160
we want to do a ufo journal with

3856
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:50,160
academics would that be okay the

3857
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:52,880
government said not only is that okay

3858
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:55,680
we'll fund it and so they funded this

3859
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:58,319
ufo journal that uh an organization that

3860
02:30:03,110 --> 02:30:01,120
supposedly has like 40 000 members it's

3861
02:30:04,389 --> 02:30:03,120
kind of like the society of scientific

3862
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:04,399
exploration here

3863
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:06,479
where it's like a peer-reviewed journal

3864
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:08,000
sort of organization where you have to

3865
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:10,479
be credentialed to be able to join it

3866
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:12,160
so they have a huge interest out there

3867
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,319
in a lot of cases this is really cool

3868
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:16,240
this is something great that wendell did

3869
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:17,760
wendell went out there and did some

3870
02:30:22,309 --> 02:30:19,600
talks and he grabbed he made some

3871
02:30:25,030 --> 02:30:22,319
connections they really liked him so

3872
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:25,040
they asked him hey if we give you a

3873
02:30:29,270 --> 02:30:27,120
bunch of our ufo cases will you write a

3874
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:29,280
book and wendell said

3875
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:30,960
sure i can't afford to have this

3876
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:33,760
translated so again the chinese

3877
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,080
government stepped in translated these

3878
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:38,640
cases gave them to women wrote a book

3879
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,840
amazing cases um some of them in our our

3880
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:44,240
magazine uh that piece that we did on we

3881
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:46,399
talked about a lot of them on youtube

3882
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,000
save me a copy if you haven't i'd love

3883
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:50,479
to see that yeah it's a great book

3884
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:52,800
amazing cases well you know one thing

3885
02:30:56,469 --> 02:30:54,479
that should be mentioned is the largest

3886
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:56,479
civilian ufo organization in the world

3887
02:31:01,270 --> 02:30:58,880
is in china with over a million members

3888
02:31:03,990 --> 02:31:01,280
we do hear from them not a lot we had

3889
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:04,000
some interviews uh dr sunshi lee was uh

3890
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,760
i believe he was at citizen the citizen

3891
02:31:09,670 --> 02:31:07,359
hearing and we had an interview with him

3892
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:09,680
there you can find some interviews this

3893
02:31:15,429 --> 02:31:12,640
is what's interesting he speaks spanish

3894
02:31:19,110 --> 02:31:15,439
and chinese so we did an interview where

3895
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:19,120
antonio uh translated hit what he had to

3896
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:22,240
say from spanish but uh there's also the

3897
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:23,760
purple mountain observatory we've

3898
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:25,680
written several stories about this

3899
02:31:30,070 --> 02:31:28,000
lately where they it's this observatory

3900
02:31:32,469 --> 02:31:30,080
in china where they do ufo research and

3901
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:32,479
in fact we've got a story on it where

3902
02:31:36,389 --> 02:31:34,399
one of the scientists there

3903
02:31:38,309 --> 02:31:36,399
predicted that there would be more ufo

3904
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:38,319
sightings in china and sure enough that

3905
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:41,040
has uh come to fruition so yeah we've

3906
02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:43,200
got a lot of stories on china so we do

3907
02:31:47,429 --> 02:31:44,960
it's harder to get stories from these

3908
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:47,439
countries but there are some out there

3909
02:31:51,270 --> 02:31:49,120
but there doesn't seem to be a lot of

3910
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:51,280
coordination from country to country

3911
02:31:54,309 --> 02:31:52,640
certainly we don't coordinate the

3912
02:31:56,309 --> 02:31:54,319
chinese that much

3913
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:56,319
yeah you're right it's true and i think

3914
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:58,319
it's a language barrier it's still kind

3915
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,479
of difficult you know in communist

3916
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:02,640
countries they have limited access to

3917
02:32:06,469 --> 02:32:04,800
the internet um and limited

3918
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:06,479
communication that they can have with

3919
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:07,840
outsiders so

3920
02:32:11,750 --> 02:32:10,080
i think that makes it difficult plus you

3921
02:32:14,389 --> 02:32:11,760
know everybody's really busy so the

3922
02:32:15,510 --> 02:32:14,399
further people are the more difficult it

3923
02:32:17,190 --> 02:32:15,520
becomes

3924
02:32:19,750 --> 02:32:17,200
i think the language barrier is just a

3925
02:32:22,070 --> 02:32:19,760
huge one that's why especially uh

3926
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:22,080
australia new zealand the uk you know

3927
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:23,520
i'm talking to people from those

3928
02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:25,280
countries all the time i'm sure you are

3929
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:27,920
too so makes it easier uh that we can

3930
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:29,760
all be online and speak the same

3931
02:32:34,790 --> 02:32:32,800
language yeah exactly well here's a

3932
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,800
here's a good one to kind of end up the

3933
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:36,720
question uh from our listener section

3934
02:32:39,510 --> 02:32:38,000
here

3935
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:39,520
and again this comes from our friendly

3936
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:41,280
skeptic uh our moderator at

3937
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:43,359
form.theparacast.com

3938
02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:44,880
uh where you can ask questions of our

3939
02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:47,280
guests in the question bank and angelo

3940
02:32:52,230 --> 02:32:50,240
says and you know he's

3941
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:52,240
he's a cut to the chase kind of guy and

3942
02:32:56,550 --> 02:32:54,720
and and this is the uh you know

3943
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:56,560
this is the uh kind of overarching

3944
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,319
skeptical question

3945
02:33:03,670 --> 02:33:00,800
alejandro do you think we'll ever get

3946
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:03,680
definitive proof that ufos are more than

3947
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:07,120
just misidentified objects in the sky

3948
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:09,280
you know i think that's a great question

3949
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:11,280
and i love the heart questions uh what

3950
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:13,760
the heck and you know what over time i

3951
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:16,319
don't know i like i said i think the

3952
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:18,960
third party is involved i think you know

3953
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:21,040
nick pope put it well once when he said

3954
02:33:24,469 --> 02:33:23,040
this isn't an event

3955
02:33:27,429 --> 02:33:24,479
led uh

3956
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:27,439
arena where something has to happen for

3957
02:33:32,309 --> 02:33:29,520
us to be able to analyze it and move

3958
02:33:35,429 --> 02:33:32,319
forward if there is a third party out

3959
02:33:37,429 --> 02:33:35,439
there um they they need to be the guys

3960
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,439
to let us know and they haven't let us

3961
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:39,120
know i think it's interesting to keep an

3962
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:41,760
eye on it but so far it is largely

3963
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:44,080
anecdotal because even pictures aren't

3964
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:46,080
definitive so you need those witness

3965
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:48,319
testimony to say hey that light you see

3966
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,840
i know it looks like a light but it

3967
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:51,760
actually zipped around or to tell us

3968
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:54,960
what happened so um it almost seems like

3969
02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:57,520
if there is some sort of conditioning or

3970
02:34:01,910 --> 02:34:00,080
awareness going on by a third party

3971
02:34:03,750 --> 02:34:01,920
they're doing it individually one at a

3972
02:34:07,349 --> 02:34:03,760
time because it's uh kind of like i know

3973
02:34:09,110 --> 02:34:07,359
what i saw sort of situation um you know

3974
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:09,120
i there's things i've seen i can't

3975
02:34:13,510 --> 02:34:11,439
explain um i think there's a lot of

3976
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:13,520
people that have that sort of feeling

3977
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:15,120
and a lot of people get involved with

3978
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:16,880
this air arena when they see something

3979
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:19,760
that they can't explain so but uh i

3980
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,359
think this thing like chris talks about

3981
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:23,120
with tricksters and everything

3982
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:24,960
is more intelligent than we are and if

3983
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:26,560
they don't want to be seen they won't be

3984
02:34:29,910 --> 02:34:28,080
if they don't want us have proof they

3985
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:29,920
won't they got to give it to us and thus

3986
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:32,160
far they haven't and who knows if they

3987
02:34:39,429 --> 02:34:34,640
ever will i don't know well they have

3988
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,070
yep gotcha well we don't know that for

3989
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:44,399
sure it hasn't happened to me

3990
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:46,319
if you can't read alien it's hard to you

3991
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:48,240
know translate the book

3992
02:34:52,469 --> 02:34:50,720
yeah and we don't know what alien is so

3993
02:34:54,389 --> 02:34:52,479
how can we read something we don't know

3994
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:54,399
about but thank goodness we have these

3995
02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:56,080
new roswell slides that prove that

3996
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,479
they're here and they um are

3997
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:01,120
being kept in uh at the museum near you

3998
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:03,120
probably has an alien body

3999
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:05,040
go check it out you know i might have to

4000
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:07,200
drive up the mountains i don't like

4001
02:35:10,790 --> 02:35:09,280
driving in mountainous regions so i

4002
02:35:13,030 --> 02:35:10,800
never visit chris

4003
02:35:15,990 --> 02:35:13,040
oh yeah

4004
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,000
yep well i mean just yeah so like well

4005
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:17,840
at least given the logic of some of the

4006
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:20,240
ufo researchers you know just any well

4007
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:21,760
and of course there's the meme out there

4008
02:35:26,469 --> 02:35:23,600
so pretty much anything mysterious you

4009
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:26,479
can subscribe to the idea that it's it's

4010
02:35:29,910 --> 02:35:28,560
alien if you can't explain it and then

4011
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:29,920
you know you can live in a world where

4012
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:31,760
aliens are all around you if that's what

4013
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:33,439
you want to do well that's the way it's

4014
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:35,439
unfortunately working here

4015
02:35:38,469 --> 02:35:36,640
that's the way the media is trying to

4016
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:38,479
get it to be yeah

4017
02:35:43,750 --> 02:35:40,560
yeah unfortunately

4018
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,760
e.t is everywhere and nowhere

4019
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:46,000
or for people like angelo they're

4020
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:48,240
nowhere at all and they never will be

4021
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,080
and uh you can go to bed and rest uh

4022
02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:54,880
happily knowing that uh there'll never

4023
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,160
be any proof or evidence

4024
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,040
well at least angela keeps an open mind

4025
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:03,040
he's friendly about it no i appreciate

4026
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:05,520
people like him he doesn't get pissy and

4027
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:07,280
he doesn't uh you know

4028
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:10,000
you know go out of his way to to debunk

4029
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:11,840
something that uh everybody's all

4030
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:13,439
attached to and

4031
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:15,040
uh you know there's something yeah i

4032
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:16,720
don't mind that at all

4033
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:18,240
you know the paragraph exactly known for

4034
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:21,359
its skeptic side and and we support the

4035
02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:23,520
skeptical uh open-minded skeptics of the

4036
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:25,120
world out there and we welcome their

4037
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:26,720
input anytime

4038
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,359
amen so do i so all right that's a good

4039
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:31,280
that's a good one it's important for

4040
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:33,200
everybody to remember that alejandro

4041
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:34,640
could you tell our listeners where we

4042
02:36:39,150 --> 02:36:36,640
can find more of the stuff you do if

4043
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:39,160
they want to follow up yeah definitely

4044
02:36:43,429 --> 02:36:40,880
openminds.tv is where you're going to

4045
02:36:47,110 --> 02:36:43,439
find everything so we update with news

4046
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,120
every day we also have an open minds tv

4047
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,960
a youtube channel where we update

4048
02:36:52,469 --> 02:36:50,640
information we have interviews out there

4049
02:36:54,389 --> 02:36:52,479
we did some with nick redfern and his

4050
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:54,399
involvement with the roswell slides

4051
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:57,280
early on also youtube we're doing the

4052
02:37:01,349 --> 02:37:00,000
ufo report we used to do spacing out but

4053
02:37:02,710 --> 02:37:01,359
now we've moved on we're going to do

4054
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:02,720
something a little more newsy called the

4055
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:04,160
ufo report where we're going to bring

4056
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:07,359
news on ufos to you via video so check

4057
02:37:12,469 --> 02:37:09,359
that out today and of course we've got

4058
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:12,479
the ufo congress uh which here is in the

4059
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:14,240
phoenix area it's the guinness world

4060
02:37:19,510 --> 02:37:17,200
records largest conference and it's in a

4061
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:19,520
large building that's just gorgeous with

4062
02:37:23,750 --> 02:37:22,160
with ac so and we have only one speaker

4063
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:23,760
at a time so everybody can get to

4064
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:25,600
everything that they want to get to but

4065
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:27,200
it's going to be a lot of fun and we

4066
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:29,840
have a lot of great people lined up i

4067
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:30,960
think people

4068
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:33,120
a lot of phds interested in this topic

4069
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:35,359
that you probably haven't seen before so

4070
02:37:39,630 --> 02:37:37,680
i'm really excited about this year

4071
02:37:42,230 --> 02:37:39,640
it's going to be a lot of fun so

4072
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:42,240
openminds.tv is where you get it all

4073
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:44,080
okay we have a lot of things to tell you

4074
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:45,359
about also

4075
02:37:49,990 --> 02:37:47,600
we still for a limited time only we'll

4076
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:50,000
give away a copy of chris o'brien

4077
02:37:54,630 --> 02:37:52,479
stalking the tricksters limited time one

4078
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,640
day he's going to call me and say gene

4079
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:56,880
that's it i've given up enough money

4080
02:38:00,070 --> 02:37:58,640
i've got to put this back in the market

4081
02:38:02,150 --> 02:38:00,080
again although of course if you want the

4082
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:02,160
hard copy of the book you have to pay

4083
02:38:08,349 --> 02:38:04,640
for it but the way we do it here is you

4084
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:08,359
sign up for the power cast plus go to

4085
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:09,439
plus.theparacast.com

4086
02:38:16,870 --> 02:38:14,790
after the power cast our exclusive

4087
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:16,880
podcast and of course the ad free

4088
02:38:22,110 --> 02:38:18,720
version of this show but if you

4089
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:22,120
subscribe to a year or five years at

4090
02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:24,080
plus.powercast.com you get a copy of the

4091
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:26,720
ebook version of stalking the tricksters

4092
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:28,640
from chris o'brien

4093
02:38:33,510 --> 02:38:31,120
next week by the way we're going to have

4094
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:33,520
nick redfearn rejoin us on the power

4095
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:35,840
cast going to be a great show alejandro

4096
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:37,760
rojas thanks for joining us on the power

4097
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:40,720
cast thank you guys as usual it was a

4098
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:42,640
great pleasure it's always a lot of fun

4099
02:38:51,540 --> 02:38:44,160
thanks for having me again

4100
02:38:51,550 --> 02:38:54,790
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4101
02:39:00,550 --> 02:38:57,670
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4102
02:39:03,510 --> 02:39:00,560
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